What??? Adam's Burial Place?

[menageriekeeper]

Every year during the week before Easter the churches in the community get together and take turns doing community Easter services during lunchtime.

Today was preacher from the Christian church (Disciples of Christ). As part of his lecture he told us that tradition has it that Adam was buried under the hill of Golgotha and that when the earthquake shook Jerusalem a fissure opened in the ground next to the cross allowing the blood and water from Christ's side to drip onto Adam's skull.

Huh? Have I lived under a rock all these years? What traditions? (Whose traditions?)

:BangHead: Yeah, my youngest was with me. While I've given her a suitable explanation, I was caught entirely by surprise and wonder if there is more I should tell her.

 

[Joseph M. Smith]

I have never heard of anything at all like this. It seems to be one of those fanciful tales that were sometimes dreamed up to "enhance" Biblical events by making them have a cosmic meaning even more profound than they already have. One thing we clearly know is that the Biblical history reports nothing remotely like this.

Disciples pastor ... one would think that from a rather liberal denomination there would be no resorting to fanciful "traditions."

 

[Arbo]

Today was preacher from the Christian church (Disciples of Christ). As part of his lecture he told us that tradition has it that Adam was buried under the hill of Golgotha and that when the earthquake shook Jerusalem a fissure opened in the ground next to the cross allowing the blood and water from Christ's side to drip onto Adam's skull.

Did he mention it now resides among other relics on Indiana Jones' bookshelf? :smilewinkgrin:

 

[menageriekeeper]

LOL guys!

No he was truely serious. He started out by showing a bunch of 13th and 14th century art that showed the cruxifixtion. All were linked together becaue at the foot of the cross in each picture there was a skull. Then he went on to tell this story and not only, but he had pics that showed some chapel/church that is purportedly built on Golgotha that shows the enshrined fissure and a second that shows the alcove underneath where Adam's skull supposedly resided (in the past of course. I didn't see a skull, just the alcove).

 

[Zenas]

I have heard of this but it's no more than an ancient legend. There are many such legends that could be true but probably are not. For instance there is the story about the two thieves on the cross. The penitant thief is named Dismas and the other one is named Gestas. According to legend they had encountered Jesus once before, when His parents fled to Egypt. They were with other robbers with them at the time and Dismas, true to character, dissuaded the others from robbing the unprotected holy family.

However, as for Golgotha, the part about the shrine built on the site is true. It was built by the mother of Constantine, whose name was Helena.

 

[preachinjesus]

No he was truely serious. He started out by showing a bunch of 13th and 14th century art that showed the cruxifixtion.

The guy does understand that the paintings are photographs right? They were painted 1300+ years after the event...

The bigger issue is...why does it matter?

 

[Alcott]

I haven't heard of this before, but it seems to have begun as imagery; "...as in Adam all die, in Christ all shall be made live." It takes the blood of Christ to resurrect Adam, or anyone. But since this legend is not biblical, there is plenty of reason to doubt any such thing.

There are certainly others... that Pontius Pilate became a believer years later, that the apostle John was thrown into a huge caldron of boiling oil and walked right out unharmed, and of course the holy grail and the shroud of Turin, which has gotten a lot of attention on History Channel lately.

 

[Jkdbuck76]

I saw Michael Rood (Rude ?) put out some theory that the Ark of the Covenant was under Golgotha and Christ's blood spilled onto it. Like Solomon's homies hid it there not knowing the Messiah's blood would hit it.

After about 30 seconds of him and his outlandish outfits, I was done. He is to Christianity what the movie "Bloodsport" was to martial arts.

 

[blackbird]

Every year during the week before Easter the churches in the community get together and take turns doing community Easter services during lunchtime.

Today was preacher from the Christian church (Disciples of Christ). As part of his lecture he told us that tradition has it that Adam was buried under the hill of Golgotha and that when the earthquake shook Jerusalem a fissure opened in the ground next to the cross allowing the blood and water from Christ's side to drip onto Adam's skull.

This is exactly the reason why I shy away from community church get together-------------you get whats in the dog's dish!!!:tonofbricks:

 

[menageriekeeper]

It was certainly a culture shock experience! My own church did Monday's service, which I was unable to attend. Part of today's service, but not the sermon was done by my favorite neighbor's Episcopal pastor and I attended with her. She comes with me to quite few things at our church. I don't think either of us expected what we heard!

 

[Salty]

Adam died about 100 years before Noah was born.

I doubt he would have ended up in Israel, unless he one excellent travel agent.

 

[dcorbett]

This is why I am an Independent, more than any other reason....because we don't believe in a "Council of Churches" and we don't believe in joining with those who are not of like faith - AT ALL.

You get false doctrine thrown at you every time.

 

[Zenas]

This is why I am an Independent, more than any other reason....because we don't believe in a "Council of Churches" and we don't believe in joining with those who are not of like faith - AT ALL.

You get false doctrine thrown at you every time.

But can't we just come together from time to time for fellowship and to celebrate our Christian heritage? These ecumenical gatherings are not revivals, they are for the faithful, who already understand what they know.

We have a community service every Friday during lent. Although hosted by the Episcopal church, they try to get pastors of various persuasioins to lead the services. This year we had Methodist, Lutheran, Catholic, Southern Baptist, and two Episcopal pastors leading the services. No one goes to hear the gospel preached, but rather a time to come together for prayer and hear an inspirational message.

As for the Disciples pastor that Menageriekeeper encountered, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps he thought that everyone present would recognize he was relating a legend of doubtful accuracy so he saw no need to clarify this point. Of course he also could have been a nut case who really believed this was true.

 

[menageriekeeper]

huh, Can I agree with you BOTH!???

We have an excellent community here. There are problems, but for the most part this is a great place to raise kids, good schools for the most part (though I homeschool now, lol), little corruption in high place (finally! We used to have a bad rep in that area) and very low violent crime rates compared to say the next county over (where Birmingham is located). We are quietly becoming one of the best places to live in Alabama.

I have to give a lot of credit for that to the cooperation of the churches in our area, toward ministering to the community. We have great cooperation across denominational lines here.

This series of Easter week services has been a tradition here for at least two decades. The downtown Methodist church always hosts (and does the Friday service), my own SBC church generally does one day, one of the black churches comes in a does a day (I missed that one too this week but heard it was a fantastic time of worship), and even if a church isn't in charge of the service they send food, because lunch after is part of the tradition (lots of city/county workers come in on their lunch breaks).

I am giving the preacher the benefit of the doubt. My homeschooled daughter was the only child there, and Zenas is right in that the preacher probably expected a more mature audience.

But Debbie has a point too! It's my separatist IFB upbringing that wishes preachers would preach from scripture instead of tradition/fables etc.

Ah well, in a perfect world.....