What can wash away my sin?

now - play that song on guitar to the tune of "crash" by dave matthews band - along with piano and violin accompany-ment - and you've got yourself a beautiful song.

 

Of course, you'd be using the melodies of an agnostic mixing with hymn lyrics!!! A sign of the apocalypse!!
http://www.atheistalliance.org/aaw/atheistmusicians_ftom.html#Dave_Matthews

 

lol - your point?

music notes cannot be defined as agnostic or otherwise... it cannot be defined as secular or christian...

... sign of the apocalypse... lol

 

Hey gekko~ I just sang it to the "House Of The Rising Sun". It sounded pretty good too me! :tongue3: :smilewinkgrin: :applause:

 

No point at all...just an attempt at humor. Of course notes don't have religion.

 

Here's the hymn in its entirety:

Nothing But The Blood

What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

For my pardon, this I see,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
For my cleansing this my plea,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Nothing can for sin atone,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
Naught of good that I have done,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

This is all my hope and peace,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
This is all my righteousness,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Now by this I’ll overcome—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
Now by this I’ll reach my home—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Glory! Glory! This I sing—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
All my praise for this I bring—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Words & Music: Robert Lowry, in Gospel Music, by William Doane and Robert Lowry (New York: Biglow & Main, 1876)

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/n/b/nbtblood.htm

Go to the website and listen to it and read the words carefully --then read the biography of the men who wrote the music and lyrics. Remember, without the "blood of Jesus" there is no remission. Why desecrate the "blood of Jesus" with the world's music?

1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

 

Linda said "Why desecrate the "blood of Jesus" with the world's music?"

again... as noted earlier - music has no religion. it is neither secular nor christian. it is simply neutral and can be used for both...

the original tune to "nothing but the blood of Jesus"... how bout if that tune was made up by and old secular musician and was never thought of for that hymn - and then we used it for that hymn?

you are too held up by the musical notes rather then the lyrics themselves.
but you will never understand that. and so i pray for you.

its not the syncopated rythm that wilted the plants... its keeping them from the sunlight.
why does the bible not mention worldly music among the various lists of sins? hmm?
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music4him - House of the rising sun ay? honestly i dont think i've heard that song before... hmm. but i dont plan to listen to it though... only reason i know how to play "crash" is because a friend of mine taught it to me without even telling me what it was - and we ended up playing this hymn to it - along with the piano... and wow. i've never felt the Holy spirit move so much in one room! (ok - its only one instance of many... still) it was amazing! i praise the Lord for that night... because it has helped me with my understanding of worship.

 

Music is NOT neutral.

If music is neutral, why do people want to dance to certain types of music? What about taking the music out of movies--if it's neutral, then it won't add anything to the movie, would it? Why are certain types of music played in shopping malls? If music is neutral, why do they only use Rock and Roll music to sell cars and commercials on TV--why not use gospel music or a children's song??? Obviously, certain types of music appeal to certain types of people--and it is blatantly obvious that Rock music appeals to you---otherwise you would not be talking about it so much. Are you trying to convince yourself that music is neutral--because you sure aren't convincing me.

First of all, you need to read the biography of the hymn writer-- then you need to listen to the "original" tune of the hymn--the message of that hymn matches the music. Do some reading about hymns and hymn writers. Statements such as "how bout if that tune was made up by and old secular musician and was never thought of for that hymn" are simply childish nonsense which comes from one who has absolutely NO clue about how these old hymns of the faith were written. I will pray that the Lord will enlighten you!

Plants are NOT people and plants do not have souls. The Bible DOES mention that we are NOT to be conformed to this world (and that includes worldly music)-Rom.12:1-2.

 

quote:
"If music is neutral, why do people want to dance to certain types of music? What about taking the music out of movies--if it's neutral, then it won't add anything to the movie, would it? Why are certain types of music played in shopping malls? If music is neutral, why do they only use Rock and Roll music to sell cars and commercials on TV--why not use gospel music or a children's song??? Obviously, certain types of music appeal to certain types of people--and it is blatantly obvious that Rock music appeals to you---otherwise you would not be talking about it so much. Are you trying to convince yourself that music is neutral--because you sure aren't convincing me."

first of all lets get it straight that i have not talked about "Rock" music.

soft rock will add what is called "ambience" to a movie... it will add ambience to a wedding - it will add ambience to fellowship in someone's backyard during a barbeque.

last time i checked - people dance to all music styles.

why are certain music styles played in shopping malls? - its called marketing. people recognize the song - and pinpoint that song to a commercial they may have seen.

you dont watch T.V. much do you... i dont - and even i know that they dont ONLY use rock and roll to marketize these vehicles. they have used house styles - techno - hip-hop - rock - even heavy metal - gothic... and the list goes on.

certain types of music does appeal to certain types of people - i agree with that.

secular music appeals to secular people - because secular wants God out. that's why they call it secular. so a non-secular tune will not appeal to a secular person - simply because the two do not mix. Secular and Godly do not mix.

now - i know you're probably going to go off on a rant about me saying "secular and Godly do not mix" - so i will clarify while i have the time to do so:
secular lyrics do not mix with Godly lyrics.
again - as stated many times before this on many other threads: if i was the very first person to coin the tune that sounds like "smells like teen spirit" - and i put Godly lyrics to this newly found tune of mine - it would be a Godly song - now nirvana could take that - put their lyrics to it - and it would be a secular song.

look at the lyrics.

God made music - if Satan can use it to cause fleshly desires - how much more will God use music to cause Godly/righteous desires.

 

rock will add ambience to all the things above, you are correct. but you forgot to mention one other thing that it adds. it adds distance between man and God.

 

Putting Godly lyrics to worldly music does not make worldly music Godly. Does one bad apple in a barrel of good apples make the bad apple good?

 

SFIC said "rock will add ambience to all the things above, you are correct. but you forgot to mention one other thing that it adds. it adds distance between man and God."

... does it now. i agree secular rock does. but Godly lyrics to a package of rock style music does not add distance - it is encouragement in faith towards the God of Israel.

this i know from experience.
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Linda said "Putting Godly lyrics to worldly music does not make worldly music Godly. Does one bad apple in a barrel of good apples make the bad apple good?"

no no no... you did not read my analogy correctly.
let me say it here again:

if i coin a musical tune. (which sounds like "smells like teen spirit") - but let me say here that there is no such song as "smells like teen spirit" - never was - isn't and is not ever. (remember this is figurative) the tune we have today of "smells like teen spirit" - imagine that i had coined that tune some 3 years back - and put Godly lyrics to it. would it be a secular song - or a Godly song?

taking into consideration that there is no such band as nirvana - nor is there a song titled "smells like teen spirit" - but rather i have coined the tune as we know it today - 3 years back - and put Godly lyrics to it... would it be secular or Godly?

do you even understand my analogy?

 

Here we go again.

If Jesus' blood is what washes away sin - and it is...
If Jesus' blood is what makes me whole - and it is...
If Jesus' blood is my pardon - and it is...
If Jesus' blood is my cleansing - and it is...
If Jesus' blood and sacrifice is what atones me - and it is...
If Jesus' blood is my hope and peace, because of what He did at Calvary in taking my place - and it is...
If Jesus' blood is what covers, cleanses and otherwise does away with my sin in the eyes of the Lord, leaving only righteousness - and it is...

... than it's certainly powerful enough to overcome any shortcomings the music MAY have in your eyes. Music may not be neutral, but the blood is certainly more powerful than anything I can do musically. Understand this, you cannot convince me that God is more pleased or more displeased with one over the other. Now ask me what I think, and I'll definitely have an opinion... but I opine alot. That doesn't make it law or anything. That makes it my PREFERENCE, which thankfully, you're allowed to have.

 

Secular rock music with Godly lyrics is NOT an encouragement in faith towards the God of Israel! If the music does not match the message, it is simply just another secular rock song with a "little" gospel topping (like chocolate syrup).

gekko--your analogy (if you want to call it an analogy) doesn't make a lick of sense to me--never has and probably never will. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that bad apples will not become good apples if they are in the same barrel. Why do doctors quarantine people with contagious diseases? Arsenic that is put into a bowl of soup, does not become soup--the soup becomes poisonous. I could go on, but I am praying that you get the picture here.

Just because you add Godly lyrics to secular music, DOES NOT MAKE IT GODLY--IT STILL REMAINS SECULAR MUSIC WITH GODLY LYRICS! What you are talking about is simply "sugar-coating" secular rock music with Godly lyrics. Coat a lemon with sugar--has the lemon changed? NO--there is still a lemon under all the sugar! When you add Godly lyrics to secular rock music, you compromise the gospel message. Jesus Christ does not rock--HE IS THE ROCK--HE IS GOD AND HE IS MY SAVIOR!

Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; (Ephesians 5:19)

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. (Colossians 3:16)

 

http://members.aol.com/etb700/ccm.html#communication:
[This argment] actually becomes a big strike against these critics' claims regarding music. Tim Fisher (Battle For Christian Music) even [similarly] made a reference to Muzak to prove that the professional world realizes the power of music. But much of Muzak today is jazzy or soft rock, and disproves the ultimate criterion these critics judge the "appropriateness" of music by. All of this came to mind, while watching some federally mandated job training videos, and also serious health-related infomercials and other educational films or productions companies use for their customers (including web pages or phone "on hold" messages). These are perhaps the highest examples of professionalism and proper communication. It is the finest English you will ever hear, with absolutely no profanity, bad grammar or even slang. So then what style of music accompanies these presentations? What is used to help "communicate"? If our critics were correct, we would expect it to always be classical and traditional. While you may hear those at times (the latter, "hymn" type pieces, rarely however), what I find most often is used is some instrumental jazzy pieces, and they often have the so-called "rock beat" (back beat), and at least one I remember had a dance type beat. Basically, the "fusion" style. But these did not take away from the serious, professional atmosphere of the films. Remember, it is not just the hard sounds of thrash metal and other similar styles these people say is bad communication. It's the beat and syncopation used in soft styles and jazz they claim is where the "evil communication" ultimately lies. But we see that jazz and perhaps some soft rock is the modern version of "professional" music. They are professional "communication". If the critics will then claim "well, that reflects the modern decrease of morality", they should remember that it is they who have been appealing to the "professional" world to prove their points. They should not then back out of it when shown that it really disproves their case.

So one side says music is completely "neutral", or at least "morally neutral", and the other side points out how certain rhythms or sounds are associated with different things, good or evil, and assumes "this style is always good and that style is always evil". While acknowledging that certain sounds go better with certain things, we must not confuse "coming in handy for" with "causing" or "being caused by", or "always being associated with", as there are other opposite uses for a given sound that can be morally opposite. Marching can be to a just war or an unjust one. Sex can be sinful outside of marriage, or godly within marriage. Anger and revolt at society can be from anarchy or wanting to take over, or because that society is oppressive or even ungodly. Contemplation can lead to godly reflection or a spiritually dead cerebral "faith" as well as pride, and evil can certainly be "contemplated" too.

He made it a hypothetical situation in that case, but some songs were adapted from secular tumes. You can even see this credited in the hymnals.

But since your side can find absolutely no scripture to prove that rock as a style is necessarily of the world, and traditional is not, many had resorted to citing science studies about rock wilting plants to prove it is "universally bad". Yet, other factors were often omitted, making those citations very unreliable. That's what he was addressing.

Still, no one has ever shown that the old style used for hymns is not the same thing. There are plenty of old style songs that sound just like the hymns, (national anthems, etc) and your side says "oh well, that was from when society was more Christian", but that is debatable, and no matter how much you may think that, it was still "the world", and it is only your by association today that this sound is specifically "Christian".

 

linda said "Secular rock music with Godly lyrics is NOT an encouragement in faith towards the God of Israel!"

umm... do you know me? no. so you cannot say that for me - christian rock music is not an encouragement. the group Apologetix (which does christian lyrics to well known tunes) - has helped me in my walk with God.

you can't talk for me. thank you.
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linda said "Just because you add Godly lyrics to secular music, DOES NOT MAKE IT GODLY--IT STILL REMAINS SECULAR MUSIC WITH GODLY LYRICS! What you are talking about is simply "sugar-coating" secular rock music with Godly lyrics. Coat a lemon with sugar--has the lemon changed? NO--there is still a lemon under all the sugar! When you add Godly lyrics to secular rock music, you compromise the gospel message."

i take offense on how you equate Sugar with the word of God.

and tell me - how does it compromise the gospel message?

 

Aubre - sorry for totally ignoring you in my last post - i meant to put something in there - but got distracted by my msn...

it will be amazing to sing anything - even hymns - with all the angels and with the Lord! i can't wait! i wish i could go now! but alas... God has some other things in mind.