What did the Reformers Reform that needed Reforming?

[Wesley Briggman]

reform

1. to make an improvement, especially by changing a person's behaviour or the…

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Reform: to make an improvement, especially by changing a person's behavior or the structure of something:
Who will reform our unfair electoral system?
For years I was an alcoholic, but I reformed when the doctors gave me six months to live.

 

[Cathode]

reform

1. to make an improvement, especially by changing a person's behaviour or the…

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Reform: to make an improvement, especially by changing a person's behavior or the structure of something:
Who will reform our unfair electoral system?
For years I was an alcoholic, but I reformed when the doctors gave me six months to live.

Well from my perspective the “ Reformers “ were new Apostles of a different gospel, with new doctrines that had never been taught in all preceding Christianity.

 

[JonC]

I think very little of what the Reformed needed reforming. What was needed was a return to Scripture. But having developed from within the Roman Catholic Church, I also realize this was impossible. The Reformation, therefore, should have been the 1st step to returning to Scripture.

 

[Cathode]

I think very little of what the Reformed needed reforming. What was needed was a return to Scripture. But having developed from within the Roman Catholic Church, I also realize this was impossible. The Reformation, therefore, should have been the 1st step to returning to Scripture.

Real reformation stems from personal holiness which is closeness to Jesus.

Every heresy and schism has its origin in people’s meandering interpretations of scripture.

Once people deserted the singular Objective interpretation of Scripture and followed their own subjective interpretations, they bloomed into a panoply of errors.

 

[Zaatar71]

The Rc church was vile and corrupt. The reformation was a return to scripture and setting things in order.

 

[Cathode]

The Rc church was vile and corrupt.

When Protestant and Baptist’s Churches clergy reach about 10% of the vileness and corruption of the clergy in the Catholic Church, those churches dissolve and have be closed down. Normal human decency shuts them down.

The only thing that can explain the Catholic Church’s existence is the Hand of God, amid so many stupid, vile, horrible sinners.

I challenge any Protestant or Baptist Church to remain open carrying even 10% of the load of stupid, vile, horrible corrupt sinners that are in the Catholic Church.

The longest running miracle of God is the existence of The Catholic Church.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

The Rc church was vile and corrupt. The reformation was a return to scripture and setting things in order.

Are you saying the RCC was reformed by Martin Luther's efforts?

 

[Zaatar71]

Are you saying the RCC was reformed by Martin Luther's efforts?

No, they are still defective. The Reformation helped the local biblical churches get established and seek to obey the Great Commision

 

[Cathode]

Are you saying the RCC was reformed by Martin Luther's efforts?

Corrupt clergy selling indulgences has been stamped out. So now indulgences are freely given out.

 

[Cathode]

No, they are still defective. The Reformation helped the local biblical churches get established and seek to obey the Great Commision

There’s so much scandal in the Catholic Church, it’s got to be true.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

No, they are still defective. The Reformation helped the local biblical churches get established and seek to obey the Great Commision

There are hundreds of denominations founded as a result of the reformation. Unfortunately, they were/are not all "biblical".

One, is the Lutheran Church. Consubstantiation was/is a "doctrine" that Luther instituted in his church - a carryover of transubstantiation doctrine of the RCC, I do not consider it to be sound doctrine.

Luther also condoned the practice of infant baptism as a sacrament. I do not consider baptism to be a sacrament but an ordinance. Nor do I believe the results of infant baptism is "salvation", or being born-again as Lutherans do.

Review: Infant Baptism | Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary
"The Lutheran Church believed and confessed that the Spirit uses Word and Sacraments to create and strengthen faith, and that faith receives the promised blessings: forgiveness, life, and salvation. This is true for both adult and infant."

 

[Cathode]

There are hundreds of denominations founded as a result of the reformation. Unfortunately, they were/are not all "biblical".

Whose to say who is “ biblical “ in bible alone Protestantism, they appeal to the same authority of scripture.
They all rejected the singular objective Apostolic interpretation of the Church Jesus founded, and started subjectively interpreting the scripture for themselves, making each man’s opinion the highest authority.

One, is the Lutheran Church. Consubstantiation was/is a "doctrine" that Luther instituted in his church - a carryover of transubstantiation doctrine of the RCC, I do not consider it to be sound doctrine.

Luthers consubstantiation, was the first step away from orthodoxy regarding the Eucharist that started the cascade to merely symbolic, then just an ordinance, then just a mockery with coke and potato chips.

Luther also condoned the practice of infant baptism as a sacrament. I do not consider baptism to be a sacrament but an ordinance. Nor do I believe the results of infant baptism is "salvation", or being born-again as Lutherans do.

I have seen the results of infant Baptism, I know it is Regeneration. As Protestantism progressed it’s denials of orthodox Christian doctrine accelerated depending on who was subjectively interpreting scripture for himself. Error build on error with subjective interpretations of scripture, it is regression par excellence. If you don’t deny it, the man after you will.

Review: Infant Baptism | Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary
"The Lutheran Church believed and confessed that the Spirit uses Word and Sacraments to create and strengthen faith, and that faith receives the promised blessings: forgiveness, life, and salvation. This is true for both adult and infant."

Not even Lutherans are united on Scriptures interpretation and few believe what Luther even taught in the first place.

When you reject all the preceding Apostolic Church and call Scripture your only authority, what you are in fact doing is making your opinion the sole authority. This foundation appeals to the most proud and obstinate personalities, and there is plenty of them willing to argue and justify their opinions.

It’s the perfect snare.

 

[JesusFan]

Well from my perspective the “ Reformers “ were new Apostles of a different gospel, with new doctrines that had never been taught in all preceding Christianity.

You are part of the Apostate Church that needed to reform back to what the scriptures alone teach and affirmed