What is a 'hardshell' Baptist?

Me.


And every other Primitive Baptist on the board.

 

James is technically right.

I chose the name "Hardsheller" because of my Calvinistic Tendencies. Also in honor of my uncle who considered himself a "hardshell" baptist even though he was baptized by a Southern Baptist Church.

 

But why "hardshell"? Why not "reformed"? What is the association of "hardshell" with Calvinism?

 

Here is something I have heard all my life handed down by other PB's... The word hardshell was not used by PB's because we are hard headed but by our enemies who saw us as being stubborn and hardheaded to change... We wouldn't go the way of other beliefs to go out and save the world. We believe Christ did it ALL and there is nothing any Man can do to earn his eternal salvation and he will SAVE all his children. In Reference see the Baptist Split of 1832 in Baptist History where the PB's split from the missionaries!

The term was not hardshell to begin with but Hardshall... As the PB's emphasized Matthew 1:21 in the angels declaration to Joseph in a dream in regards to the condition of his betrothed Mary... And she SHALL bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name "JESUS" for he SHALL save his people from their sins.

Brother James and Harsheller are partly right but being 3rd generation PB and maybe further than that this is the story I have heard all my life. Any of you other PB's heard that one in your part of the country. Since we believe in Amazing Grace and Jesus Christ is our ALL in ALL we are hard on our shalls and we stand by it steadfast until our dying breath... Our Eternal Salvation is ALL of Christ and none of Man!... And that is how we teach it and preach it no matter what other Baptist say! ... Brother Glen The Primitive Baptist

[ September 10, 2003, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]

 

Well then count me a soft shell! Not a Calvinist! LOL BTW... Softshell pecans are much more in demand round here.

Diane

 

Diane... NEVER call a PB a Calvinist... We are not! ... Though we do adopt TULIP our interpretations of some of the points are very different then our Calvinist brethren... I thought I would clarify that so you would know!... Brother Glen

 

Thanks Bro. Glen, I was confused by Hardsheller's post saying....

Labels are SO confusing!

Diane

 

Doubting Thomas... PB's are not Calvinist or Reformed... All believe in Gospel Regeneration we believe in Spiritual Regeneration!... We are HARD on our SHALLS and believe it without reservation Brother Glen

 

Hardsheller... Unless you are a PB and believe in Spiritual Regeneration you maybe be a hardshell but NEVER a "HARDSHALL" ... Brother Glen

 

My Paternal Great Grandmother was a Primitive Baptist and my uncle and mother attended a Primitive Baptist Church as a child.

I am a Southern Baptist and don't ever foresee that changing.

P.S. There are plenty of "Calvinists" in the SBC so I have plenty of company.

 

If you're Baptist and live in the Seychelles, are you a Seychelle Baptist?

 

Well Hardshell it sounds like you do come from good stock... PB in the genes... Huuuuuummmmmmm!... SBC?... Uhuh!... Brother Glen

 

Ding, ding, ding. We have a Primitive Baptist here!

I don't know that I would call my feable attempts preaching, but I will say that I spoke on this very thing several weeks ago.

Many people get regeneration and conversion confused one with the other. In my opinion, the best example of regeneration coming from God alone, followed by preaching of the gospel and conversion by man, is in Acts 9 regarding Saul on the road to Damascus.

Acts 9:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

BTW, Bro. Glen is correct in his definition of hardshell. I knew this example, but I wasn't sure if that's what you wanted. As long as I live, I will always, come rain, sleet, snow, or Alzheimer's, remember the angel speaking to Mary saying, "...thou shalt call his name Jesus for he SHALL save his people from their sins."

I love that verse. It should give all of us comfort to know that the promise of salvation was made before Jesus was born, and the work of salvation was concluded on the cross when Christ said "It is finished" and gave up the ghost. What a beautiful, yet humbling thought. To think that he loved me so much that he would lay down his life for my sins. I can not even fathom that kind of love.

God Bless you and your family Bro. Dallas. I will continue praying that the Lord will ease your self-described difficulties.

Bro. James

 

For any hardsheller or PB here:

I have a few questions:

Let me say first that these are simply for informational sake and not to start debate. I am genuinely curious. Having said that, after pondering your answers I may start other threads asking you about the particulars of your answers.

What is the difference between Spiritual Regeneration and Gospel Regeneration?

You say believe in the TULIP principles, but you define them differently. Give me some examples of this.

What kind of evangelism do you practice and believe in? Please give examples of what your church does in this area.

Are most PB churches or hardshell churches KJV only?(the ones of I know of around my area are)

Are most PBs Baptist Briders?

Do PBs or Hardshellers all only have one service a week or do you have others?

Thanks

IFBReformer

 

PBs, do you also include this "shall" in your list of "shalls"?

Romans 10:14-17
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Seriously now.