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What is a Methodist?

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  1. rockytopva

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    I have read that at one time as many as 20% is Americans were Methodist.It is not the movement it used to be, but the founder of my denomination, Pentecostal Holiness, was a Methodist, Arminian evangelist. What is a Methodist? by John Wesley ... The great and the glorious way!

    1. We believe, indeed, that "all Scripture is given by the inspiration of God. We believe the written word of God to be the only and sufficient rule both of Christian faith and practice.

    2. We do not place our religion, or any part of it, in being attached to any peculiar mode of speaking, any quaint or uncommon set of expressions.

    3. Our religion does not lie in doing what God has not enjoined, or abstaining from what he hath not forbidden. It does not lie in the form of our apparel, in the posture of our body, or the covering of our heads; nor yet in abstaining from marriage, or from meats and drinks, which are all good if received with thanksgiving.

    4. Nor, lastly, is he distinguished by laying the whole stress of religion on any single part of it

    5. "What then is the mark? Who is a Methodist, according to your own account?" I answer: A Methodist is one who has "the love of God shed abroad in his heart by the Holy Ghost given unto him;" one who "loves the Lord his God with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his mind, and with all his strength. God is the joy of his heart, and the desire of his soul; which is constantly crying out, "Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee! My God and my all! Thou art the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever!"

    6. He is therefore happy in God, yea, always happy, as having in him "a well of water springing up into everlasting life," and overflowing his soul with peace and joy. "Perfect love" having now "cast out fear," he "rejoices evermore." He "rejoices in the Lord always," even "in God his Saviour;" and in the Father, "through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom he hath now received the atonement." "Having" found "redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of his sins," he cannot but rejoice, whenever he looks back on the horrible pit out of which he is delivered; when he sees "all his transgressions blotted out as a cloud, and his iniquities as a thick cloud." He cannot but rejoice, whenever he looks on the state wherein he now is; "being justified freely, and having peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." For "he that believeth, hath the witness" of this "in himself;" being now the son of God by faith. "Because he is a son, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into his heart, crying, Abba, Father!" And "the Spirit itself beareth witness with his spirit, that he is a child of God." He rejoiceth also, whenever he looks forward, "in hope of the glory that shall be revealed;" yea, this his joy is full, and all his bones cry out, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who, according to his abundant mercy, hath begotten me again to a living hope -- of an inheritance incorruptible, undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for me!"

    7. And he who hath this hope, thus "full of immortality, in everything giveth thanks;" as knowing that this (whatsoever it is) "is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning him." From him, therefore, he cheerfully receives all, saying, "Good is the will of the Lord;" and whether the Lord giveth or taketh away, equally "blessing the name of the Lord." For he hath "learned, in whatsoever state he is, therewith to be content." He knoweth "both how to be abased and how to abound

    8. For indeed he "prays without ceasing." It is given him "always to pray, and not to faint.”

    9. And while he thus always exercises his love to God, by praying without ceasing, rejoicing evermore, and in everything giving thanks, this commandment is written in his heart, "That he who loveth God, love his brother also." And he accordingly loves his neighbour as himself; he loves every man as his own soul. His heart is full of love to all mankind, to every child of "the Father of the spirits of all flesh

    10. For he is "pure in heart." The love of God has purified his heart from all revengeful passions, from envy, malice, and wrath, from every unkind temper or malign affection. It hath cleansed him from pride and haughtiness of spirit, whereof alone cometh contention. And he hath now "put on bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering:" So that he "forbears and forgives, if he had a quarrel against any; even as God in Christ hath forgiven him." And indeed all possible ground for contention, on his part, is utterly cut off. For none can take from him what he desires; seeing he "loves not the world, nor" any of "the things of the world;" being now "crucified to the world, and the world crucified to him;" being dead to all that is in the world, both to "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life." For "all his desire is unto God, and to the remembrance of his name."

    11. Agreeable to this his one desire, is the one design of his life, namely, "not to do his own will, but the will of Him that sent him." His one intention at all times and in all things is, not to please himself, but Him whom his soul loveth. He has a single eye. And because "his eye is single, his whole body is full of light." Indeed, where the loving eye of the soul is continually fixed upon God, there can be no darkness at all, "but the whole is light; as when the bright shining of a candle doth enlighten the house." God then reigns alone. All that is in the soul is holiness to the Lord. There is not a motion in his heart, but is according to his will. Every thought that arises points to Him, and is in obedience to the law of Christ.

    12. And the tree is known by its fruits. For as he loves God, so he keeps his commandments; not only some, or most of them, but all, from the least to the greatest. He is not content to "keep the whole law, and offend in one point;" but has, in all points, "a conscience void of offence towards God and towards man."

    13. All the commandments of God he accordingly keeps, and that with all his might. For his obedience is in proportion to his love, the source from whence it flows. And therefore, loving God with all his heart, he serves him with all his strength.

    14. By consequence, whatsoever he doeth, it is all to the glory of God. His one invariable rule is this, "Whatsoever ye do, in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him."

    15. Nor do the customs of the world at all hinder his "running the race that is set before him." He knows that vice does not lose its nature, though it becomes ever so fashionable; and remembers, that "every man is to give an account of himself to God." He cannot, therefore, "follow" even "a multitude to do evil." He cannot "fare sumptuously every day," or "make provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof." He cannot "lay up treasures upon earth," any more than he can take fire into his bosom. He cannot "adorn himself," on any pretence, "with gold or costly apparel." He cannot join in or countenance any diversion which has the least tendency to vice of any kind. He cannot "speak evil" of his neighbour, any more than he can lie either for God or man. He cannot utter an unkind word of any one; for love keeps the door of his lips. He cannot speak "idle words;" "no corrupt communication" ever "comes out of his mouth," as is all that "which is" not "good to the use of edifying," not "fit to minister grace to the hearers." But "whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are" justly "of good report," he thinks, and speaks, and acts, "adorning the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ in all things."

    16. Lastly. As he has time, he "does good unto all men;" unto neighbours and strangers, friends and enemies: And that in every possible kind; not only to their bodies, by "feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting those that are sick or in prison;" but much more does he labour to do good to their souls, as of the ability which God giveth; to awaken those that sleep in death; to bring those who are awakened to the atoning blood, that, "being justified by faith, they may have peace with God;" and to provoke those who have peace with God to abound more in love and in good works.

    17. These are the principles and practices of our sect; these are the marks of a true Methodist. By these alone do those who are in derision so called, desire to be distinguished from other men. If any man say, "Why, these are only the common fundamental principles of Christianity!" thou hast said; so I mean; this is the very truth; I know they are no other; and I would to God both thou and all men knew, that I, and all who follow my judgment, do vehemently refuse to be distinguished from other men, by any but the common principles of Christianity, -- the plain, old Christianity that I teach, renouncing and detesting all other marks of distinction. And having the mind that was in Christ, he so walks as Christ also walked.
     
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    The Methodist Method

    Prevenient Grace, Justifying Grace, Sanctifying Grace, Perfecting Grace, & Glorifying Grace


    You can view 21 "Methodist Methods" below which outlines the methods practiced by the Methodist Societies started by John Wesley. Today you can use your cell phone and practice methodism as best as it can be practiced today with: the means of grace, small groups, videos, music, suggested books, counselors, Sunday School and services. go to www.methodism.info



    The Methodist Methods were practiced by the Methodist Societies for spiritual development, originally to "Flee the wrath to come". The Methodist Methods, presented in the Word document format above, are not a complete list of every method practiced but provide a general overview.

    When John Wesley defined "Methodist" for the 1753 English Dictionary "One that (or who) lives according to the Method laid down in the Bible", he was basically referring to:

    1. prevenient grace

    2. justifying grace

    3. sanctifying grace

    4. perfecting grace "Christian perfection"

    5. glorifying grace

    The Methodist Society ministered to the Methodist follower based on the grace given to that follower by God.

    The society ministered to those with:

    1. prevenient grace with a Methodist Class Society

    2. justifying and sanctifying grace with a Methodist Band Society

    3. perfecting grace with a Methodist Select Society

    A focus of the:

    Class Society: outer holiness

    Band Society: inner holiness

    Select Society: spreading holiness

    Please note the above description is a generalization, certainly some parts of some class societies practiced inner holiness and participated in community service to spread holiness. But the general focus of the society is outlined.



    This method of ministry to grace received is what has been missing in the Methodist Church for about 100 years. Also, weekly confession, repentance and accountability with spiritual goal of Christian Perfection, (by grace through faith ), is largely ignored.
    John Wesley transformed England in the 1700's,

    and many historians are quoted as saying Wesley was,

    “ONE OF THE GREATEST ENGLISHMEN WHO EVER LIVED" .
     
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    Rules of the Band Societies
    December 25, 1738

    The design of our meeting is, to obey that command of God,

    "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed..
    ( James 5:16 )

    To this end, we intend,

    1. To meet once a week, at the least.

    2. To come punctually at the hour appointed, without some extraordinary reason.

    3. To begin (those of us who are present) exactly at the hour, with singing or prayer.

    4. To speak each of us in order, freely and plainly, the true state of our souls, with the faults we have committed in thought, word, or deed, and the temptations we have felt, since our last meeting.

    5. To end every meeting with prayer, suited to the state of each person present.

    6. To desire some person among us to speak his own state first, and then to ask the rest, in order, as many and as searching questions as may be, concerning their state, sins, and temptations.

    Some of the questions proposed to every one before he is admitted among us may be to this effect.

    1. Have you the forgiveness of your sins ?

    2. Have you peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ ?

    3. Have you the witness of God's Spirit with your spirit, that you are a child of God ?

    4. Is the love of God shed abroad in your heart ?

    5. Has no sin, inward or outward, dominion over you ?

    6. Do you desire to be told of your faults ?

    7. Do you desire to be told of all your faults, and that plain and home ?

    8. Do you desire that every one of us should tell you, from time to time, whatsoever is in his heart concerning you ?

    9. Consider! Do you desire we should tell you whatsoever we think, whatsoever we fear, whatsoever we hear, concerning you ?

    10. Do you desire that, in doing this, we should come as close as possible, that we should cut to the quick, and search your heart to the bottom ?

    11. Is it your desire and design to be on this, and all other occasions, entirely open, so as to speak everything that is in your heart without exception, without disguise, and without reserve ?

    Any of the preceding questions may be asked as often as occasion others; the four following at every meeting:

    1. What known sins have you committed since our last meeting ?

    2. What temptations have you met with ?

    3. How were you delivered ?

    4. What have you thought, said, or done, of which you doubt whether it be sin or not ?
     
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    It goes on...

    Suffice it to say that the Wesley brothers were Arminians who were highly disciplined and continuously working to practice holiness.
    Denominations that come from the Methodist movement are Wesleyians and Nazarenes, both which teach salvation can be lost by sinful living.
     
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    It may be hard for us to remember that Methodism originally had nothing to do with soteriology, but only with a methodical pursuit of holiness. George Whitefield was a founder of Methodism and a Calvinist. He and the Wesleys clashed repeatedly in private and public about soteriology, yet they remained Christian brothers and John Wesley preached at Whitefield's funeral.

    It is an example that we should heed when we disagree on such things.
     
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    Methodism... Pentecostal Holiness,,,, There are issues!

    Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. - Revelation 3:12

    A Sardis is a gem, elegant, beautiful, yet hard and rigid. The Philadelphians are unlike the Sardiseans, especially as they are not firm and rigid. You can argue night and day with Sardisean and not get anywhere. But the Philadelphian is not as firm on his belief. Therefore there is love, revival, holiness, warmth, and seasons of refreshing. But come back next year and they are just as bad as everyone else! They go in and out of revival.
     
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