preacher4truth
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Oh, I agree quantumfaith. If I seemed to say otherwise, disregard.
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What is Joel saying?
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Oh, I agree quantumfaith. If I seemed to say otherwise, disregard.
quantumfaith
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:godisgood::thumbs::thumbs:
I was waiting for Joel to say it doesn't matter your path because your of the elect or not. Nothing can be done. That would have been in line with what he was saying because it would still be wrong.
preacher4truth
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Not so. Only the elect will believe. So, no, IF he (Olsteen) had said that he would not be wrong.
All are on the wrong path who are outside of Christ. Jesus Christ is the only Way to the Father.
Anyone on a path other than that of the Son are not His. So it does matter what path "they" are on. To suggest that being on some other path is neutralized because of being elect is error and does not represent a Reformed Theological viewpoint.
His elect are on the right path; Him. There is no such thing as permissiveness to any such way to heaven because one is elect. This is exactly what you are suggesting in what you are saying. This is frankly erroneous.
Which of the saved are not of the elect? Answer? None.
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and yet; Jesus said;
There are no christians unless they are elect...
Well...Jesus did not think so John....
Your quote betrays a lack of a firm grasp on the doctrine as you put forth fatalism.......no surprise, bad doctrine leads to false practice..
You might consider taking a closer look at the biblical teaching
Tom Butler
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Listen to his TV sermons and you'll see that they're just updated versions of the Word/Faith Prosperity Gospel.
Bottom line is he is just another pitch man with capped teeth.
Actually, its more than "just" that belief on Him...
he buys into the false Gospel of faith, name it and get it, positive confession...
Basically, he is the Robert Schuler for this current age...
false Gospel, points out how "great" we really are, we can 'call the shots" reduces God to our levels while elevating man to His!
pretty much waters down message of the Cross, as his grace was to make us get 'better" and to be able to get prospered and wealty!
So come to jesus, get wealty healthy feel great just no suffering/persucution allowed!
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preacher4truth
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Man made "gospel." The presentation of the message is targeted toward what man gets out of it (besides being saved, i.e. things), it is slanted toward success as in corporate success (lined pockets), leadership versus servanthood, what man can do, not so much about what God can do, mostly what man can get from God, because God understands our covetous nature and wants us to be focused on things. Free-will lends itself to this end on the extreme. It's not about us, it's about God. Note, I never said a word about arminianism, only about free-will to the extreme.
‘A God without wrath brought men without sin into a kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a cross,’ H. Richard Niebuhr "The Kingdom of God in America"
The preaching of the true Gospel presents man with two things; that man is lost, and that Christ is the only hope for his eternal soul. His elect recognize their need to be saved, not to receive things, but only one thing, and that is eternal life through Christ alone.
Any other offer, with any other benefits is false.
There is no need to "sweeten" it, the Gospel is the Power of God unto salvation all by itself. Romans 1:16. We should preach the pure Gospel to lost man. To sweeten it is to have and preach a false Gospel.
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