What is the Democrats Plan for Border Security?

[InTheLight]

Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi gave a rebuttal to President Trump's speech about border security. They said several times that they had a plan for border security that was cheaper, better, and more effective than building a wall.

So--what is this plan the Democrats have for border security?

I'm hoping some of our more liberal members here can enlighten me and give me the Democrats plan, in detail, for border security.

I'm also wondering why the MSM is not holding their feet to the fire and demanding the Democrats release this plan. You know, like they used to ask the Republicans about their plan to replace Obamacare...

 

[carpro]

I'm also wondering why the MSM is not holding their feet to the fire and demanding the Democrats release this plan.

No, you're not.

 

[Adonia]

They have no be plan to make the border secure. Their plan is to continue on with the status quo of bringing in no skilled/low skilled people, many of whom will eventually end up on the dole and then after they receive citizenship become Democrat voters.

The genius of their plan lies in it's simplicity - they need not do anything.

 

[777]

I really don't know what her plan is - this what it "could" be:

If they don't want a wall, what are Democrats' border security solutions?

some of them seem reasonable and the wall is kind of a dated solution but fencing can work and most of the left's solutions are to grant amnesty to illegals here and keep the borders wide open. The "manufactured crisis" they tried to sell fell flat, they should just come out and say they want the borders to stay open and not to mess with sanctuary states and cities, that's what they really want.

 

[church mouse guy]

Do what the French govt is doing.

 

[HankD]

Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi gave a rebuttal to President Trump's speech about border security. They said several times that they had a plan for border security that was cheaper, better, and more effective than building a wall.

So--what is this plan the Democrats have for border security?

I'm hoping some of our more liberal members here can enlighten me and give me the Democrats plan, in detail, for border security.

I'm also wondering why the MSM is not holding their feet to the fire and demanding the Democrats release this plan. You know, like they used to ask the Republicans about their plan to replace Obamacare...

Tell them that it is illegal to cross over the border into the USA but if they do make it, they will receive food, clothing, shelter, a drivers license and a DNC membership card.

 

[InTheLight]

I really don't know what her plan is - this what it "could" be:

If they don't want a wall, what are Democrats' border security solutions?

From the article:
WASHINGTON – Democrats have rejected President Donald Trump's border wall as ineffective, expensive and immoral. So what are their solutions to border security?

Among them: Better technology. Increased hiring for ports of entry. Improved infrastructure, such as fencing.
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Well, all of those things are in the Republican plan, but the main component of the Republican plan is the Wall.

"Better technology" is extremely vague. I suppose it refers to drones patrolling the border and possibly heat and/or motion sensors. However, once these tripwires are activated it means the illegals are probably already across the border. Then it becomes a scramble for manpower to intervene in time to catch the perpetrators. Why not simply have a wall and prevent entrance in the first place?

Increased hiring for posts of entry apparently means more people available to process refuges that have been coached to claim asylum.

Improved infrastructure is a common value shared by Democrats and Republicans. Republicans want a Wall, Democrats want fencing in selected areas.

BTW, saying a wall doesn't work because people can tunnel under them or climb over them is a bit like saying locks don't work because people can pick locks or use a bolt cutter to remove them. Or saying that alarm systems don't work because someone could cut power to them. Or cameras are ineffective because they can be covered up or powered down. Yet, we still use locks. We still use alarm systems. We still use cameras.

 

[carpro]

Bottom line:

Democrats don't have a plan because they have no intention of securing the border.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi gave a rebuttal to President Trump's speech about border security. They said several times that they had a plan for border security that was cheaper, better, and more effective than building a wall.

So--what is this plan the Democrats have for border security?

I'm hoping some of our more liberal members here can enlighten me and give me the Democrats plan, in detail, for border security.

I'm also wondering why the MSM is not holding their feet to the fire and demanding the Democrats release this plan. You know, like they used to ask the Republicans about their plan to replace Obamacare...

Democrats supported the wall in 2006 when it was a fence
Democrats supported the wall in 2006 when it was a fence
1/12/2019

Democrats haven't always had such a hard position on the border wall. Over the past decade, Democrats have supported billions of dollars in funding for physical barriers. In 2006, the Secure Fence Act passed with bipartisan support requiring the construction of physical barriers along 700 miles of the nearly 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border. Sixty-four Democrats voted the measure in the House and 26 in the Senate.

The current Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer voted for it, so did Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. Then-Illinois Sen. Barack Obama praised the bill in a floor speech saying it would "certainly do some good" and "help stem some of the tide of illegal immigration in this country."

In 2013, all Senate Democrats and most House Democrats backed comprehensive immigration reform legislation, the so-called Gang of Eight bill. It included $46 billion for border security and around $8 billion to repair or reinforce barriers along the 700 miles of the border as required under the Secure Fence Act.

The most obvious change since a bipartisan majority voted to fund physical barriers in 2006 and 2013 and even 2018, is the politics of border security.
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When and if the Republicans look on this as a bi-partisan issue to be evaluated the democrats will work with them. As long as they insist on obeying Trump's latest tweet barking orders that are never rational, they will resist. The government stoppage is now the longest in U.S. history. When will this childish stunt end. It has already cost the economy more than the amount Trump was requiring ($5.7 B). What a farce.

 

[HankD]

Democrats supported the wall in 2006 when it was a fence
Democrats supported the wall in 2006 when it was a fence

... The government stoppage is now the longest in U.S. history. When will this childish stunt end. It has already cost the economy more than the amount Trump was requiring ($5.7 B). What a farce.

Yes but what has the drug and trafficking parade of humanity over the wide open portions of our southern border cost? - Possibly TRILLIONS apart from the human suffering and ruined and lost lives of men women and children.

Admitted both sides of the aisle have been either in favor of this tragedy for political reasons or asleep at the wheel because of self interest.

Also, the useless United Nations has done NOTHING to meaningfully address the Central American social problems or absolute corruption of the Mexican puppet government of the drug/trafficking cartels.

 

[Adonia]

The government stoppage is now the longest in U.S. history.

Which could end tomorrow if the Democrats just gave President Trump 5 billion measly dollars. Hey, I cry no tears for these Federal workers from a bloated Federal workforce who are on furlough and will get paid all their monies at the appropriate time. Not one Democrat has ever cared about the hundreds of thousands of people who were put out of work permanently because of their policies in the past.

 

[church mouse guy]

Obama did a good job of destroying the American dream and Schumer/Pelosi want to continue with open borders, high crime, cheap labor, and declining public services.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Yes but what has the drug and trafficking parade of humanity over the wide open portions of our southern border cost? - Possibly TRILLIONS apart from the human suffering and ruined and lost lives of men women and children.

Admitted both sides of the aisle have been either in favor of this tragedy for political reasons or asleep at the wheel because of self interest.

Also, the useless United Nations has done NOTHING to meaningfully address the Central American social problems or absolute corruption of the Mexican puppet government of the drug/trafficking cartels.

Drug Trafficking Statistics
Trafficking Statistics - DrugAbuse.com

Recent Statistics on Drug Trafficking

• In 2016, the majority (84.9%) of traffickers were male with an average age of 36.3
• Roughly 70% of all offenders were U.S. citizens, and almost half (49.4%) had little or no prior criminal history.3

The border with Mexico is a major drug trafficking location. But most of the traffickers are U.S. citizens most using legal entry at checkpoints.

Most hard drugs smuggled through legal border crossings
By Curt Prendergast Arizona Daily Star
May 6, 2017

Statistics show 81 percent of the hard drugs caught at the border from 2012-2016 were stopped at ports of entry.

While Trump proposes building a wall to stop drugs from crossing the border and hiring thousands more Border Patrol agents, U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics obtained by the Arizona Daily Star through a public-records request suggest the rhetoric coming from the White House reflects a misunderstanding of how and where hard drugs cross the border.

 

[InTheLight]

When and if the Republicans look on this as a bi-partisan issue to be evaluated the democrats will work with them. As long as they insist on obeying Trump's latest tweet barking orders that are never rational, they will resist. The government stoppage is now the longest in U.S. history. When will this childish stunt end. It has already cost the economy more than the amount Trump was requiring ($5.7 B). What a farce.

You gave us a history lesson.

What is the current Democrat plan for border security?

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL

 

[FollowTheWay]

You gave us a history lesson.

What is the current Democrat plan for border security?

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL

I showed you why Trump doesn't understand the problem and is simply tweeting whatever comes into his head at the moment. The Democrats had a well-reasoned plan. Obama had more border agents. The drug problem is not about building a wall over hundreds of miles of desolate territory. I'd go with what they proposed in the past.

 

[carpro]

You gave us a history lesson.

What is the current Democrat plan for border security?

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL

He can't answer, because they don't have one.

But he can't admit that either.

 

[HankD]

Drug Trafficking Statistics
Trafficking Statistics - DrugAbuse.com

Recent Statistics on Drug Trafficking

• In 2016, the majority (84.9%) of traffickers were male with an average age of 36.3
• Roughly 70% of all offenders were U.S. citizens, and almost half (49.4%) had little or no prior criminal history.3

The border with Mexico is a major drug trafficking location. But most of the traffickers are U.S. citizens most using legal entry at checkpoints.

Most hard drugs smuggled through legal border crossings
By Curt Prendergast Arizona Daily Star
May 6, 2017

Statistics show 81 percent of the hard drugs caught at the border from 2012-2016 were stopped at ports of entry.

While Trump proposes building a wall to stop drugs from crossing the border and hiring thousands more Border Patrol agents, U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics obtained by the Arizona Daily Star through a public-records request suggest the rhetoric coming from the White House reflects a misunderstanding of how and where hard drugs cross the border.

I doubt many of theses "facts".

The workers on the border itself tell a different tale.

I took a college course in statistics and on the very first day of class the professor said "you can prove anything with statistics".

But the plain fact is that both sides of the aisle keep spewing loggorhea chunks past each other - no one listens to the other side and NOTHING GETS DONE!

 

[FollowTheWay]

I doubt many of theses "facts".

The workers on the border itself tell a different tale.

I took a college course in statistics and on the very first day of class the professor said "you can prove anything with statistics".

But the plain fact is that both sides of the aisle keep spewing loggorhea chunks past each other - no one listens to the other side and NOTHING GETS DONE!

Find your own "facts" to refute them. Doubting them means nothing.

 

[InTheLight]

Statistics show 81 percent of the hard drugs caught at the border from 2012-2016 were stopped at ports of entry.

While Trump proposes building a wall to stop drugs from crossing the border and hiring thousands more Border Patrol agents, U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics obtained by the Arizona Daily Star through a public-records request suggest the rhetoric coming from the White House reflects a misunderstanding of how and where hard drugs cross the border.

OF COURSE the majority of hard drugs will be caught at ports of entry. That's where the majority of agents are working!

BTW, how much, in kilograms, does this 81% amount to? How much, in kilograms, do they estimate gets successfully smuggled through ports of entry?

How much gets successfully smuggled across the border, but not at ports of entry?

Because these can be wildly different numbers.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL

 

[FollowTheWay]

OF COURSE the majority of hard drugs will be caught at ports of entry. That's where the majority of agents are working!

BTW, how much, in kilograms, does this 81% amount to? How much, in kilograms, do they estimate gets successfully smuggled through ports of entry?

How much gets successfully smuggled across the border, but not at ports of entry?

Because these can be wildly different numbers.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL

So you have no idea how much in the way of illegal drugs enter the country, right? Tell me why it's a big deal then.