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  1. Two Wings

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    I made reference to this question in another post/thread.

    I searched for a specific topical section of the BBS and didn't find it ... Mods, I expect this post to be moved if I've overlooked a better "address" for this topic. I will accept that correction.


    Does God have a timeline? YES.

    Can we know it? Does he want us to know it? I believe…YES.

    He told Daniel this in chapter 12:9,10: “And the angel said, ‘Go your way, Daniel, for the words are concealed and sealed up UNTIL the end of time. Many will be purged, purified (made white) and refined, but the wicked will behave wickedly. None of the wicked shall understand, but those who are [spiritually] wise WILL UNDERSTAND’.”
     
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    Well, I firmly believe that we are in the last "SEASON" of history just based on technology/morals/politics/weather catastrophes/ & all that stuff predicted for the end times.
    Frankly, I'm ready for Him to come get us!!!!!

    I see the political situation of the US just priming the creation of the one-world-government. I think we have been the "fly in the ointment" against its inception till now. We are going to be so broken apart before any correction can be made that any restraint we may have offered will be nullified by the present administration -- IMHO of course.
     
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    Daniel 12

    verse 11-12

    11 From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!

    We know there were 3 sieges against Jerusalem by the Babylonians. Consider the 1290 is anchored on 599BC ... the second siege is when the Temple vessels were taken to Qumran by Jeremiah/et al.

    That runs the calendar to 691 AD.

    what happened then? The Dome of the Rock on Temple Mount was completed.

    then in v 12 ... 1335.

    where does that take us ... waiting/enduring to the End?
     
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    The Second Gabriel Timeline.

    Daniel 9:24-25

    24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place."

    70 weeks ... could that be 490 years? until these 6 characterizations are manifest? The "Day of The Lord"

    490 years from what?

    25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem


    We know Cyrus made such a decree, right? Nehemiah and Ezra & Co went and rebuilt the wall around Jerusalem in a period of time we couldn't duplicate right now if we had all the rock already hewn. This was during the Hebrews' enslavement of 70 years (Jer 29)

    Did you know there was another such decree issued?

    The Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. (April?) 1536.

    Like Cyrus, Suleiman was similarly visited by God in one of his dreams. The difference was ... in Cyrus' day, the Hebrews were in one place. In Suleiman's day, post 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem, the Jews were scattered all over the globe.

    it's easy to see the "Suleiman portion" of the Jerusalem wall from the Cyrus wall.

    1536 and 490 sum to what?
     
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    I agree. a parallel to the spiritual restraint mentioned by Paul in 2 Thess 2 ... "the restrainer."

    I find the current POTUS to be a real time "type/shadow" of what The Great Experiment is to be. It's going to happen very quickly. I also wonder if this 7 year period about which we've read, about which so much written, is --- at least in the first 3.5 ... not quite the "House of Horrors" as we've had reinforced.

    Could it be the Abraham Accords IS the "confirm a covenant with many for one week" Daniel 9:27? Because of the specified period in Daniel's prophesy ... and at least to date, there's been no such time period declared in the Abraham Accords, I've hestitated. However, I recognize the radical departure from "status quo" to have Israel with normal diplomatic relations with members of the Arab League who, in 1967, formed the "doctrine of NO" in Sudan; (might bungle the order) No recognition, No negotiation, No peace.

    and yet ... plus or minus a covid restriction period ... we've had El Al 737-800s overflying Saudi Arabia in regular scheduled air carrier service between Tel Aviv and Dubai. BTW, UAE has broken ground on their "trifecta" holy place; church house, synagog, and mosque in the same piece of real estate. A type and shadow of what's coming to Mount Moriah very soon, too.
     
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    I'd forget all this speculation and stick with Jesus on Daniel's fulfillment. He taught Amillennialism in the gospels. Get that straight and all the rest will evaporate.
     
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    perhaps you're right. perhaps ... not.

    The Word is pretty clear in Daniel about understanding in the last generation.

    Let's keep seeking. Occupy until He comes, remain occupied with His guidance ... and look up every once in a while.

    Stuff has happened in the last 80 years which has NEVER happened before and HAS fulfilled many prophesies (Nation State of Israel)

    The Temple Institute is (has?) located the red heifer for consecrating the high priest in >THE< Temple.

    Thanks for your consideration.
     
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    I have just bee notified the Temple Institute has located 3 qualifying "red heifers" and arrangements are being made to have them shipped.

    I'll divulge more when they are safely delivered ...

    I wanted to share, however, the Jews are moving forward with their plans for the 3rd Temple.

    yes ... I recognize the resumption of the regular sacrifice will do nothing but kill a lot of animals and create a big stink. Yes, I realize my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

    yes, I realize The Bible says there will be a 3rd Temple built. Ezekiel and John both measured and described it and things about it. So, it's coming.


    What time is it?
     
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    If you discern the gospel of the kingdom as preached by Jesus, all of the Dispensational and Premillennial baggage you are looking for will never happen. Get the gospel of the kingdom right, and the rest will follow.
     
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    I DON'T disagree that the Gospel is the priority. It IS the Good News which makes the "wrap up" a tremendous blessing for those who are heirs with Christ.

    I'm not versed on the titles of what is this or that. Who's a calvinist ... reformist ... millenialist ... whatever.

    I'm interested in what The Holy Spirit reveals. I'm interested in being ready to receive The Holy Spirit such as He's never been poured-out before. To gain the knowledge as it is presented and to share it. To help prepare others.

    "This generation shall not pass before these things happen" I believe Jesus was addressing the reborn nation State of Israel. those born in 1947 aren't spring chickens. In fact, a generation has already been given a time period, right?

    PS 90. 70 ... or if by strength, 80.

    God told Jeremiah they'd be in captivity for 70 years. He didn't state the day nor the hour ... but Daniel even referred to that period. They KNEW how long they'd be in captivity.

    So ... being prepared in advance "so that Day will not overtake you" is in God's will for all of us.
     
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    We are talking about the "gospel of the Kingdom" as preached by Jesus and the Apostles. It's not what you think. It refutes what you think if you are Premillennial or Dispensational in your views of the kingdom.
     
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    the Kingdom is like.

    Sermon on the Mount.

    Is this what you mean?

    Jesus also said the kingdom is like the sower ... the wheat and tares.

    which was taken first?

    IDK what this premillinial/dispensation is all about. I understand there is to be a period where the world is subject to the unrestrained Satan for a period of time ... an appointed time ... Jesus said He'd return the way He departed. If that makes me a dispensationalist, well, hopefully I can learn to spell it correctly the first time.

    There's going to be a period of 1000 years ... a millennium ... whereby the lion and the lamb will lay down in a pasture together. That's a symbol of the peace which was on the earth before the Fall in the garden.

    Man gets 6000 years. Gen 6. to have dominion over the planet. We're at the end of that 6000 years. We know this just as the Hebrews knew they were at the end of their 70 year exile.

    Here's something I realized recently. Being raised a good SBCer, the Cooperative Program ... missions. Those are in accordance with Jesus commission and His example. But I think we've taken that "Gospel preached to all the nations" to be it depends upon "me." It doesn't.

    Rev 14 says an angel is going to finish up on that task ... THEN the End will come. So we ARE to share. It is a natural function of knowing Jesus personally ... but we're not going to finish the task. HE is. Therefore, be anxious for nothing!

    What an incredibly wonderful place to be ... in the arms of Jesus. He told us to sell our cloak and buy a sword ... we'll need that for a time, too. I believe that time is immanent.

    Thanks again!
     
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    If you study Jesus' teaching on the gospel of the kingdom, you'll find it is quite different from what you and many others assume. It does away with some of your ideas. And will give you a more precise view of His return. Just read the 4 gospels and learn about the spiritual (non-physical) attributes of the kingdom. Go by that and not by what you've been taught.
     
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    Mark 13:35. "Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming.....'
     
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    So, I take it that you do not take the millennial reign as recorded by John as literal.

    interesting.

    I thought a-mill thinking was destroyed by the two world wars.
     
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    I would consider your thinking antiquated and not firm with the statements of Christ.

    Did not even the Lord give a model mentioning the kingdom coming so that God’s will was done on earth as it is in heaven?
     
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    This is a special gift from me to you. It shows the fallacy of all millennial theories. BTW, A- Mill = no millennium.

    Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:


    Daniel said; “And in the days of these kings [Old Roman Empire] shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” Daniel 2:44 (NCPB)

    “And [Jesus] saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

    “And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

    “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

    “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

    “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

    “Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

    “Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

    “And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

    “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

    “But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

    “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

    “because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

    “Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

    “He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

    “When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

    “for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

    “I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

    “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

    “That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

    “And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

    “And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

    “who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son,” Colossians 1:13 (NCPB)

    “For the kingdom is the LORD’s: and he is the governor among the nations.” Psalm 22:28 (NCPB)

    “Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:” 2 Thessalonians 1:5 (KJV 1900)
     
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    1000 = a whole lot as in God owns the cattle on 1000 hills. “And Samson said, With the jawbone of an ass, heaps upon heaps, With the jaw of an ass have I slain a thousand men.” Judges 15:16 (KJV 1900)
     
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    @1689Dave

    Thanks for including those references ... but ... I’m at a loss to understand how this means there will not be a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth post Armageddon when John specifically identifies this in Rev 20 ... with the final battle over Satan and the descending of the New Jerusalem.

    I won’t suppose to know much about that period, but it is clear to me it will happen.

    Ezekiel 4 addresses the 390 years Israel was in rebellion under that array of “bum” kings “...and he did evil in the sight of the Lord.”

    From Leviticus 26 ... the judgement is multiplied 7 fold.

    390 x 7 = 2730.

    This judgement began with the loss of the 10 northern tribes in 704 BC. .... 2730 - 704 = ?

    2 timelines from Daniel
    1 from Ezekiel.

    Points to the same year.
     
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    How about the kingdom comes without observation? Or only the born-again can enter it or see it. Can you see it in the gospels I presented? Did you know the kingdom came when Jesus preached it, including the binding of Satan by the gospel to the whole world? If Jesus' kingdom is not of this world, how can there be a physical millennium? Study those passages and see for yourself if you are truly born-again.
     
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