What was the Holy Grail?

According to some historians? Historians don't generally believe that any articles mentioned have survived to the present day. Now if you're talking about folklorists, that would be different.

The Holy Grail is said by legend to be the cup with caught the blood which spilled from Jesus' side at the crucifixion.

BTW - the cup used for the above is supposed to be the same cup used at the last supper by Jesus. You're probably referring to some folklorists who think the last supper cup and the crucufuxion cup are two different cups.

In either event, there's no support, other than legend, to think that a cup really caught Jesus' blood, or that either this cup or the last supper cup exists to this day.

 

I guess you're talking about the wacky theory that Jesus was married and produced children, and that the "holy bloodline" is the Grail. Nonsense concocted to sell books.

 

Is this part of the Jesus Seminar? It sure sounds right up their liberal anti-Christ agenda ally.

Joseph Botwinick

 

It's not heretical to think that Jesus might have been married, but the bible implies that Jesus might have been single. Had Jesus had a wife (married men generally don't ascribe themselves to not having a place to lay their heads), I think it would have stated it succunctly.

 

"He's already got one"
"May we come up and see it"
"No"
"Why Not?"
"Because you are English Types"

(couldn't resist )

Seriously, though, Monty Python's Holy Grail is as accurate historically as many of the modern myth surrounding the Life of Christ

Someone at work was telling me how fascinating the DaVinci Code was and that I should read it.

I am going to read it, but is this some of the rubbish that it contains? It certainly didn't look like a reliable historical treatise at first glance.

 

That was more than a good guess - it is one theory, even if it's not the one you meant.

Mary and Judas both sang the same love song in Jesus Christ Superstar.

 

Before the "DaVinci Code" there was "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," a book that goes into more detail about the theory, including great conspiracies throughout history.

 

Here's the link I posted in my Grail thread:

http://www.timelessmyths.com/arthurian/grail.html#Background

It is very interesting but I didn't see anything about Mary Magdalene in it, just a lot about English history, aka King Arthur and Knights of the Round Table, etc. A lot to read, though.

While we may laugh about legends such as this and have a good time poking fun, there may be some serious things to consider, as well.

I have had a book for several years, written by J.R. Church, an ordained Baptist pastor, educated at Tennessee Temple, who wrote a fascinating book about the Holy Grail. He is no quack.

Here is a review of his book from a Christian web site:

http://www.cuttingedge.org/review/rv107.html

Occultism is on a steady rise. Proof of this is that the Da Vinci Code has been on the Top Bookseller list for a long time. Da Vinci was an occultist besides being considered as one of the great Masters.

Another comment about the "nobility of Europe." Some of our own US Presidents (Globalists, too) trace their blood line back to the European Nobility - The Bush Family for one!

When I am with the Lord, I want to see the WHOLE WORLD HISTORY (THE TRUTH) from both the Spiritual and Physical realms - the way it all REALLY WENT DOWN from the beginning. That should occupy a bit of eternity, reviewing all those DVDs, LOL.

 

Huh?

I have had a book for several years, written by J.R. Church, an ordained Baptist pastor, educated at Tennessee Temple, who wrote a fascinating book about the Holy Grail. He is no quack.[/QUOTE]

I was waiting for the punchline. Didn't he also write prophecy in the psalms where he attempted to show how each of the chapters of Psalms corresponding with a fullfilled prophecy of the corresponding year in the 1900's? I used to have that book. What a joke.

Too bad too many well meaning Christians fall for this tripe, clinging to the wisdom of this world, instead of just reading the Bible and accepting it for what it says.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I don't think it's occultism, it's just an excuse to sell books and make a quick buck.

As I stated elsewhere, the idea that Jesus might have been married is certainly not heretical. But, I believe the bible implies that he was not. Jesus was most likely single, since biblical evidence to the contrary is lacking.

Now, as to whether or not Jesus had feelings for a woman? He was fully a human male, so I'd say probably. He probably had a cruch on someone in the equivalent of his high school days. He probably got acne. He probably caught colds. He probably had dirty diapers that his mother had to change when he was a baby. It seems almost irreverent to think of him in those terms, doesn't it? Probably becaise we tend to deify him to the point where we often downplay his humanity. But that's a different topic altogether.

 

Well, Joseph, too bad you are so quick to dismiss some things as tripe.

Pastor Church may have set some dates for future events (which were wrong), but that doesn't invalidate the fact that some of the Psalms are prophetic.

Here is a book review about his book on the Psalms from Amazon.com:

(sigh) I suppose some things are way too deep for some people to grasp, especially if they don't fit into a preconceived notion.

I personally wouldn't consider his work as "clinging to the wisdom of the world" as you put it, quite the contrary. I would even be willing to wager (if I were the wagering kind), that Pastor Church has probably studied the Scripture more in depth than some on here who make these caustic comments, by virtual of the age difference alone.

Now the Da Vinci Codes - that IS clinging to the wisdom of the world, and I would agree about that.

 

You can't be serious, I hope.