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What would Christianity be today?
- Thread starter FARWALKER
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If Christ had not come there would be no Christianity. Christ made obsolete the Covenant of Law and established the New Covenant through His Work on the Cross. Christianity began on the Day of Pentecost.
As far as the landscape if we were still awaiting the coming of Messiah, it would be the same as it was prior to the Lord coming. The Law would still be in effect, Gentiles would be outside of that Covenant except they proselytized (which does not deny God's grace towards Gentiles even under Law, i.e. Cornelius), and we would not have the New Testament revelation we have today.
Aren't we glad that isn't the case?
God bless.
That sounds pretty close to what we've no got here in the US today.
Maybe Christ's second arrival for us isn't that far away after all.
Even so, Come, Lord Jesus!!!
I think the misconception is the thought that America has always been a Christian Country with a majority of Christians dwelling in her. That would not coincide with the many/few teachings of Scripture, thus is suspect as to being a reality.
What is more likely is that, just like it is today, there was the few among the many, and while we see what seems an accelerated phase in the downward spiral mankind has been in since the Curse began, I think it better if we recognize the truth that Christ is still building His Church, and we do well not to minimize the fact that there are still a lot of decent, God-fearing people in this land.
The liberal agendas and their adherents are a minority. The fact that they have gained such ground is not an indication that there are less people in the Body of Christ today in America, but that the Tares have, ahem...come out of the closet, lol.
Rather than the outbreak of damnable doctrines being generally accepted by more people today being an indication of the Lord's possibly soon coming, I see events in the world as a whole being more indicative. Prophesied enemies of Israel are in place with the enmity spoken of, for example.
Sorry, but I see the tendency to cast America in a light that parallels the view of radical Islamists is a little offensive. There are still a lot of God-fearing people in this country, and it is up to us to witness and disciple them.
Right?
God bless.
Historically, though America has always been overrun with heathens, the establishment of law and order was based upon the Judaeo / Christian principles. Hence, the posting of the ten commandments, bible reading, bible courses, and prayers in the classrooms and all public school activities until the 1960s.
The claim that America was or is not a "Christian nation" is correct. Never has been from the war of independence much less during the Civil War.
"A lot" did not stem the judgment of God upon Israel, nor will it keep the justice of God from impacting America.
Are you seriously contending that "liberal agendas and adherents are a minority?" imo, that is a completely futile attempt at wearing pink tinted glasses.
I agree. Both the heretical types and the world events point to the soon coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to catch out the believers.
There is little doubt that the same enemy that rules the heart of the Islamists is ruling the hearts of most of the USA leadership and the majority of the populace of the USA.
There will not be a Christian Nation until Christ returns.
As far as America goes, her advantage was to have a number of God-fearing people who feared the God of the Bible. And just like then, there are still a lot of people who fear the God of the Bible, but do not understand the God of the Bible.
There was not "a lot" of God-fearing people in Israel when she came under judgment.
You might want to let up on listening to Reverend Wright.
Again, the point is that there has always been a many/few ratio, this is seen in Israel, it is seen in Christ's teachings, and it should be recognized as a worldwide problem. Not an American Problem.
That is arrogance and pride.
However, I will say that this country is unique in it's people, and I would put the American people against any other country in terms of bringing aid to those in need. This is done with material goods, it is done in military matters, and it is done every day by men and women in this country.
Seriously.
The problem is that most who might have conservative values based on Biblical Principles (whether that is their reasoning or not)...are lazy, tuned out, and looking out for number one.
Among Christians we have those who are liberal, and they are usually readier to preach their message than those who are conservative.
Squeaky wheel gets the oil kind of principle. "Loudmouthed" is probably more appropriate.
You express opinion quite often.
Now if you have facts to suggest that liberals outweigh conservatives, I would like to see them (not that I put much stock in polls, which can be manipulated by any agenda).
I'm a cheap sunglasses kind of guy, but thanks for the imagery.
And glad to see you think I fail at not seeing things wrong (think about what you said, now that you've said it).
You are not allowed to agree with me.
It'll hurt the ratings...
There is nothing new under the sun, so I wouldn't consider the fact that there is radical depravity in mankind a surety of His soon return. We want that, but at the same time...what are we doing with our time, that we might pull some from the fire?
Establishing chat clubs? Giving our opinions about what we would do with preachers that don't suit our fancy? Arguing with each other?
Well, I am not one to question the salvation of others, only their Doctrine and Practice. Politics is a loaded gun, and those who go into politics are similar to those who go into entertainment...they want to be in the spotlight.
Satan certainly accomplishes great tragedy on the stage of humanity, but I guess we get what we vote for, right? Maybe if people were not so ready to disqualify people from ministry because they have fallen, Herman Caine might have gotten elected. Mitt Romney, but no...not a Mormon! Right?
Perhaps if many conservatives could debate Biblical Doctrine half as well as they express opinion, and render judgment...we might have a different landscape out there today.
But the truth is that many liberal agendas are a minority that has whupped the pants off of the majority who is too busy to be bothered with what's going on outside of their kingdoms. Of course, we can find plenty of them to sit around and whine after the fact.
Once again, casting aspersion on people...you don't even know.
But thanks for being honest, though our opinions mean little to anyone but ourselves.
God bless.
This is a myth.
While the posting of the Ten Commandments, Bible reading, Bible courses and state-led prayers was common in places where there was an overwhelming majority of a certain denomination (or similar denominations) of Christians, it was uncommon in areas where there was a diverse expression of Christianity.
For instance, my father informed me that he and his classmates did not have Bible readings or prayer in all of his years of public schooling (approximately 1930-1942). I was surprised because I had believed the revisionist historians as well as the testimony of those who did experience it and assumed it was the same everywhere else. Reality is a lot more complicated than the easy generalizations that have been made about history.
More over, while there was certainly some Judeo-Christian influences on the legal and political theories that informed the founding documents of our nation, much of what was incorporated into the founding principles and organizing documents was decidedly not Christian. The Declaration of Independence claims that the "pursuit of happiness" is an inalienable right of humankind. That is not biblical, although you could make a case for it if you place a lot of qualifications on exactly what that would entail. Moreover, the Constitution, the document that actually sets out the nature of our governmental system, makes no appeal to God nor mentions religion except to forbid a religious test for office. Our laws are largely founded on Enlightenment values and English Common Law principles that we inherited from our British foundations.