What You Didn't Know About the Seventh-Day Adventists

Romans and Galatians demolish their arguments, for its the words of an Inspired Apostle vrs words of a false prophetess!

 

At this point I am almost shocked that you would choose to select an actual doctrine to discuss. !!

Nice going! -- what can be done to encourage more of this ?? I like it!!

The doctrine of the "investigative judgment" is essentially the name given to what you find when you "read" Daniel 7. -- books opend and court sits to "investigate" the facts and then "judgment is passed in favor of the saints"

Daniel 7

The Ancient of Days Reigns
9 “I kept looking
Until thrones were set up,
And the Ancient of Days took His seat;
His vesture was like white snow
And the hair of His head like pure wool.
His throne was ablaze with flames,
Its wheels were a burning fire.
10 “A river of fire was flowing
And coming out from before Him;
Thousands upon thousands were attending Him,
And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;
The court sat,
And the books were opened.

21 I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them 22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.


And judgment based on deeds - also found in brief - in 2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

And details explained even further in Romans
Rom 2
2 And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. 3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

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Probably more Bible than you are willing to read - but some of your viewers may be fully prepared to read the Bible at this point.

 

Until you actually "read" the Bible.

 

yes they are and I quoted a large portion of Romans 2 -- and can point out "bible details" in Gal 3 that do not fit your emotional arguments.

As stated previously step 1 "READ" the Bible texts that are central to the subject before posting.

 

Your denial of Romans 2, 2 Cor 5:10 and Daniel 7 "noted"

You have unwittingly stepped into an actual doctrinal topic -- and now you seek to extricate yourself with compounded appeals to emotionalism.

How "instructive" for the unbiased objective readers.

 

I think this is the thread Brian wishes he never started

 

In 2014 Tim Challies wrote a series called "The False Teachers". Here is his article on Ellen White.

In a sense, SDA is actually more insidious than Mormonism or the Jehovah's Witnesses. The errors of Mormonism and the Jehovah's Witnesses are pronounced and universally opposed by the majority of evangelicals. SDA is different. It does share some orthodox beliefs with evangelicals. These beliefs tend to obscure some of SDA's heretical doctrines from those who only give them a cursory view. That is where the SDA's insidious threat is seen. It is a mixture of orthodoxy and heresy, and it takes a keen eye to notice the difference. While I do not want to invest an inordinate amount of my time pointing out their errors, I agree with @thatbrian that we should expose the work of Satan, especially when it is right under our nose. If nothing else, it will be a valuable resource for board members who may have future questions on the topic.

Tim Challies links to a Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM) post on SDA beliefs. This is a helpful and concise list that breaks SDA's beliefs down into those that they affirm and deny. It also lists those beliefs that are considered aberrant to orthodox Christian doctrine. I know not everyone will click on links, so here is a snip from CARM's list:


What does Seventh-day Adventism teach?
Affirmations

1. The Bible is inspired and the word of God.
2. Trinitarian: The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are all one God in three persons.
3. Jesus is God and has always existed with the Father.
4. The Holy Spirit is a person.
5. Jesus' sacrifice was vicarious.
6. Salvation is by grace, not works.
7. Jesus rose from the dead physically in his glorified body.
8. Jesus ascended bodily into heaven.
9. Baptism is by immersion
10. The literal, visible return of Jesus.
11. Jesus will return to set up a millennial kingdom. They are Premillennial.
12. Literal six-day creation, not long periods.

Denials

1. Denies the doctrine of predestination
2. Denies baptism by sprinkling
3. Denies infant baptism.
4. Denies the immortality of the soul.
5. Denies the eternality of hell fire.
6. Denies any use of alcohol (as a drink) or tobacco.

Aberrant

1. Our sins will ultimately be placed on Satan.1
2. Jesus is Michael the Archangel.
3. Worship must be done on Saturday (the Sabbath).
4. On October 22, 1844 Jesus entered the second and last phase of his atoning work.
5. Investigative Judgment - the fate of all people will be decided based upon this event in the future.
6. The dead do not exist anymore -- soul sleep.
7. The wicked are annihilated.
8. Ellen G. White, the "founder" of Seventh-day Adventism, was a messenger from God gifted with the spirit of prophecy.
9. There is a sanctuary in heaven where Jesus carries out his mediatorial work.

• 1.White, Ellen, The Great Controversy, p. 422, 485.

 

So, why be so hard on a movement that does share some orthodox beliefs with evangelicalism? Because the seriousness of SDA's errors corrupts the gospel. An eye dropper amount of potassium cyanide in 32 ounces of water will kill you even though it is diluted 1893:1. Considering the gravity of SDA's error on the gospel the analogy should be clear. It is worth exposing.

 

It is heartening to know we are unified in exposing this threat to the gospel.

 

You probably have quoted this passage in the various SDA threads, but here is the reason why we must oppose any movement that corrupts the gospel:

Galatians 1:6-9 6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

 

True - and you find it by reading the actual Bible.

Let's start with the Bible texts on the gospel that you seem to be so anxious to avoid and yet are posted on page one of this thread.

Rom 2
2 And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. 3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

And keep reading the Bible.

Rev 14
6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7 and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.

So then you claim to not be a "New Covenant Christian"??? Seriously?

"This is the NEW Covenant that I will make.. I will write MY LAW on their heart and mind... and their sins I will remember no more"

More Bible please --- less creative writing.