When was Jesus born

I thought you meant what month. I heard a Pastor explain that it most likely wasn't december, more like April.

 

Then how could there be a year 800? Wouldn't it then be the year 8--?

 

Ed Edwards,

just curious, but what has led you to conclude that He was actually born on the 25th?

 

I don't have this information available, BUT, at least I can make you "AWARE OF IT", to check out yourself, besides ya'll need something to do.

Lu 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshdow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

Lu 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

Lu 1:8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,

"Priestly duties" were divided up and carried out according to the "TRIBE" of the Person/Priest.

There are given in the OT, at the moment, I can't remember where.

By knowing Zacharias's TRIBE" it's possible to what time of the year he was serving when the angel appeared.

And from that "DATE", plus John born SIX MONTHS prior to Jesus, it's possible to "GET CLOSE" to the time Jesus was born.

Don't "QUOTE ME" but I believe it was during the "Festival of "LIGHTS", in the "SPRING".

 

Well, at least we know He WAS born!

Ed Edwards, I was not trying to argue with you, just trying to get your viewpoint on it. Thank you.

And thank you, TCassidy. Your post was very informative.

 

I found this at: http://www.calvaryroadbaptist.org/pages/The%20Baptist's%20Public%20Ministry%20Begins.htm

4D. Another thing Luke’s reference to these powerful men accomplishes. It tells us approximately how old John the Baptist was when his ministry began. You see, we know from Luke 1.5 that John the Baptist was born during the reign of Herod the Great, king of Judea. We also know, from archaeology, that Herod died during the first part of the year in 4 B. C.



5D. Looking now to Luke 3.1, we see that John the Baptist’s public ministry, at least as the Gospel accounts began to take note of his public ministry, in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar, emperor of Rome. Back then years were reckoned according to the length of a king’s or emperor’s reign, not any single fixed historical event.

The 15th year of Tiberius Caesar was about 27 A. D.[1]



6D. If you can count then you will come to the conclusion that John the Baptist’s public ministry began when he was about 33 years of age, give or take a year.

My mistake on "TRIBES", that's what ya get for trying to "THINK/REMEMBER/TYPE" at the same time.

 

Some people deny the December birth time due to the fact that there were shepherds keeping sheep outdoors at night. They forgot to note that the Bethlehem-Jerusalem area has a much-milder climate than does much of the USA, Canada, or Europe. It seldom has temp extremes either way. And the sheep must eat every day, summer or winter. Yes, it has seasons, but they're not as sharply different as they are for most of the readers of this board. Sheep could easily survive outdoors in December in that land.

 

That's not the point, robycop3. The fact is that sheep were penned at night except for the times when the lambs were being born, in the spring and in the fall. If sheep were kept penned during this time, the lambs could easily be trampled during or immediately after birth. Thus, they had to be out in the fields during these two times of year, but they did pen their sheep during summers and winters at night.

There is very good evidence that Jesus was born in the autumn of the year, but that, when he was about fifteen months old, the Magoi of Persia visited him on the date of


December 25.

http://www.setterfield.org/star.htm

 

Well, Me4Him, perhaps you're starting to see the light now. On another forum, you accused me of substituting secular history for Scripture when I called down your "1948 years Adam to Abraham, 1948 years Abe to Jesus,1948 years from Jesus to modern Israel" thingie. You wouldn't believe us in the other forum, but you believe the well-known Dr. Hymers? Well, at least you DO see how someone misled you.

And by Jesus' time,(actually, from the time of Rehoboam, Solomon's son) the Levites were counted as JEWS, as were the Benjaminites, of whom Paul was one.

Aaron had many descendants by the time of John, some righteous such as was Zacharias, some evil, such as Annas & Caiaphas.

As Doc C points out, Scripture gives us many landmarks for us to determine the general time of Jesus' birth. Cyrenius(Publius Sulpicius Quirinius ) was Augustus Caesar's "right-hand man". He was sent,about 8 BC, with an army to the Syria-palestine area to put down a revolt by the Homanadensians, a mountain tribe. Wisely, he NEGOTIATED a peace with them, knowing they would make excellent"first-line-of-defense" allies against some of the more-militant peoples of the area. Quirinius stayed in the area as military governor to both carry out his promises to the Homanadensians, and to make sure they stuck to their side of the agreement.(They did.) He then left for Rome.

He returned as de-facto governor in 6 AD after Augustus deposed Herod's son Archelaus, whose repressive actions against the Jews were fomenting revolt. Since he didn't have a Ferrari, it took him till 7 AD to reach the area, and he implemented Augustus' census/tax of 8 AD. He stepped down in 9 AD, retiring from public life, dying in 21 AD.(Info gleaned from several partial bios of Cyrenius/Quirinius)


Some people confuse the two periods of Quirinius' rule over Judea, but as scripture narrates the event, it's plain that HEROD was then the local nabob, that he sought Jesus' life, & that he died while Jesus was in Egypt, to be succeeded by his son Archelaus. In Josephus' careful history of the Herods, only ONE was succeeded by a son names Archelaus...HEROD THE GREAT, so-called by the Jews because he embellished the Temple to the greatest splendor the Jews had ever known. This was the Herod who died early 4 BC AFTER JESUS WAS BORN!

And we must note that in those days, it took time for many people to travel to the place of their birth, and Augustus didn't wanna shut down the local economies by compelling everyone to leave at once, so he allowed them to finish their business and save enough money for their journeys. Thus, Augustus easily coulda ordered the taxation in 6 BC while Quirinius was still in the area, and it coulda taken J&M until late 4 BC to have arrived in Bethlehem, given the time it took for the decree to have reached Nazareth & for Joseph to have finished any carpentry projects he had going.

At any rate, the "1948 years from Jesus to modern Israel" thingie is dead. I have believed that Jesus was born between 4 & 6 AD for a long time.

 

Thanx for your additional input, Helen!

 

If you're going to "Quote me", at least get it right.

I said:

From the first Adam until Abraham was 1948 years,

and from the "Second Adam" (Jesus) until Israel was restored as a nation was 1948 years.

Where you got the Abe to Jesus 1948, I don't know.


Do you really believe the 1948 in both case went "UN-NOTICED" by God???

If you do, you've got a lot to learn about God.

Man's calendar might be "fouled up", but rest assured, God's isn't.

If you prefer to believe what man writes, rather that what is in the scriptures, and evident in the world, why bother to read the Bible???