Featured When were the saved regenerated by God?

You tell us....please...use book, chapter, and verse....


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Still waiting...

 

It might help to define - exactly what is regeneration?

In the eyes of most, regeneration boils down to a mere change of disposition, then a "glorification" at death.

But if you get down to brass tacks, scripture does not support this "disposition" view at all.

And glorification? THAT is scriptural regeneration. A removal of sins, whereby we are perfectly fit for heaven.

So philosophically speaking, a disposition view of regeneration simply changes a persons will, desires, etc

But if you're asking about what scripture calls regeneration, Protestants think that happens at death

 

Yes, waiting for the poster

 

Interesting:thumbsup:

 

We were elected in time past, 11Tim 1:9, Eph 1:4. Regenerated in time St.John 3:5,8. Then we are converted when we believe on Christ.

 

Best post in this thread....hands down....

 

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Originally Posted by convicted1 View Post
You tell us....please...use book, chapter, and verse....

Plain and simple
Yes, waiting for the poster

 

Christ died for the ungodly, right? (Romans 5:6)

and God justifies the ungodly, right? (Romans 4:5)

Was Paul wrong ??

If you hold to a fictitious view of "disposition" regeneration, whereby God gives a man a godly disposition to choose Christ, isn't this still a godly man being justified?

 

C1, Icon, P&S,

Since you all are waiting for a response from Yeshua1, maybe one of you would like to take a stab at what I wrote in posts 4 & 10?

I'll even add some here.

Protestants, having come out of the RCC, also believe that we are "changed" after death, whereby we are refashioned to be made fit for heaven.

The difference is that the RCC teaches that this change takes place in Purgatory, with saints being purged of all sin before entry into heaven is possible.

Protestants, however, believe the change is instantaneous upon death.

But scripture says this "change" happens while we are yet alive here on earth, and calls it regeneration. A recreation, whereby our inner man is washed, cleansed, purified, and perfected.

Protestants, with their insistence that "born from above" is a mere change in disposition, actually deny the very substance of what it means to be born again.

And what scripture calls born again, Protestants say we must wait til we die to have it.

 

Titus 3:5 uses the term "regeneration" and speaks of it as a PAST TENSE "saved" completed act rather than a future tense expectation.

Tit. 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

"Saved" is a past tense completed action (Aorist tense). How they were "saved" is "by" the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost".

NOT ONE WORD ABOUT BAPTISM! Ephesians 4:24 and Colossians 3:10 further explain this very act as a creative work of God, as does Eph. 2:10 performed INTERNALLY and not an external action.

Moreover, the body was not the object of "regeneration" here, neither in baptism or out of baptism as the same body remains unchanged.

In Matthew 19:28 it refers to the regeneration of the NATURAL ORDER of creation that creation now groans to be "delivered from" the effects of sin (Rom. 8:18-21).

However, it is not possible to twist the language of Titus 3:5 to refer to the body as the body has not been yet "saved" nor has it been saved "by" the manner described.

 

I agree 100%
I'm not sure how you misunderstood what I wrote in that other thread.

Titus 3:5 is the regeneration of the inner man
Matt 19:28 is regeneration of the physical

My only reason for comparing them us to demonstrate that just as the physical realm will be restored to a state of sinlessness when Christ returns, the inner man of a believer has been cleansed of sin as one aspect of the new creation

A literal righteousness which exceeds that if the Pharisees. Not simply a change of disposition

 

I am happy it was all a misunderstanding on my part.

 

Could have been that I used ambiguous wording. I try to write with clarity, but sometimes we all leave things open to interpretation. I'll try to do better in the future.

 

Willis, Icon, P&S....

You guys were all waiting for an explanation, and I threw my hat in the ring.

Anybody? C'mon. I'm growin old over here waiting for one of you fine men to address my posts concerning regeneration

 

Good!!! Now......


If you could succintly answer this, why ask this in a thread??

 

He delights in asking the same questions over and over again though he has had the information all along.

 

Regeneration is the new birth, being born from above...an act that man is passive in. John 3, Romans 9:16...