When?

[agedman]

We read in 2 Thessalonians 2:

1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 4He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you? 6And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way.

8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival. 9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.

11For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, 12in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.
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What a wonderful and awesome promise is made in this passage!

The basic question of this thread is: Will the modern church folks who have little knowledge of doctrine and live by what feels correct rather than by principle actually know and recognize these events?


An extrapolated question is: Paul obviously taught the matters concerning the return of Christ, yet it seems the people turn away from learning. It was in Paul’s day, and it is the same, today. Why?

Last question: If you were to be taken away either by persecution or crossing over, are your family, your church, your loved ones, knowledgeable and experienced in the Lord Jesus, that He knows them as His faithful servants? What was Job? God’s faithful servant.

 

[KenH]

Why?

Matthew 13:11-15 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’

 

[Silverhair]

We read in 2 Thessalonians 2:

1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 4He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you? 6And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way.

8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival. 9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.

11For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, 12in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.
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What a wonderful and awesome promise is made in this passage!

The basic question of this thread is: Will the modern church folks who have little knowledge of doctrine and live by what feels correct rather than by principle actually know and recognize these events?

That is an easy one to answer, NO. If they do not know the scriptures themselves and are being led by false teachers then how could they.

An extrapolated question is: Paul obviously taught the matters concerning the return of Christ, yet it seems the people turn away from learning. It was in Paul’s day, and it is the same, today. Why?

Study of scripture takes time, effort. People want it fed to them in small servings. I think many of our modern "Christians " could not find the OT if they had to.

Last question: If you were to be taken away either by persecution or crossing over, are your family, your church, your loved ones, knowledgeable and experienced in the Lord Jesus, that He knows them as His faithful servants? What was Job? God’s faithful servant.

My family, YES My church YES My extended family NO. Both myself and my wife have talked to our extended family a number of times. To say it has not been productive would be to under state it. They are in the world and love to ridicule us for our faith. But we keep trying.

What was Job? Preacher, faithful servant, friend of God. Job was a spiritually and morally upright man who suffered the loss of everything of valve in this world, by worldly standards. Yet through it all he trusted God. Questioned yes but still trusted. I pray for that kind of faith and trust.