• Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Where Can We Fellowship in this Idolatrous Age?

KenH

Well-Known Member
"Where Can We Fellowship in this Idolatrous Age?
by Brandan Kraft
"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord." - Col 3:16

Hello readers! In this age of idolatry of self, it's a rare thing to find a congregation of believers that teach the FREE GRACE Gospel. The city or area in which you may live may be filled with dozens of religious centers, but if you're like me, you've probably tried them out and found your experiences to be very distasteful. You know enough to stay out of any pentecostal or free will baptist church. So you decide you might look through online church directories and then you stumble across the words, "sovereign grace", "reformed" and think you found something. Well I've got news for you.... probably not.

But go ahead, and try them out. Start meeting with them, paying close attention to what they are teaching. Are they preaching the Gospel? Is this the focus of most of their meetings? If so, you've found something more precious than gold or silver; but most likely these "sovereign grace" churches are teaching their favorite subject for the week.... It differs from week to week, but you'll hear all manner of subjects taught. Here is what you might hear about on any given Sunday: how to start spanking, christmas (Pro or Con), hot and holy sex for married couples (I kid you not, I've actually seen this!), dating, overcoming (fill in the blank of their favorite sin to talk about), the sin of watching TV, wives submitting to husbands, remarriage after divorce, children obeying parents, paying your taxes, paying your tithes or giving to the church, and the list can go on and on and on and on!

Now I'm not saying these are bad things to talk about! I have my own opinion on all of those things. But if they take the primary focus of a worship meeting, RUN, don't walk out the door. You've found yourself in the middle of a legalistic church that probably doesn't know what the Gospel is. When they do speak on what they think the Gospel is, they focus almost entirely on the conversion experience and base salvation on it... or they are telling you how you can do good works to get assurance or how you can progress in your sanctification. You won't hear them talking about the finished redemption of Christ and how God calls all His elect and grants them all repentance from all forms of works-righteousness. You probably won't ever hear them talking about this. And so sadly, you might find yourself all alone in your area thinking there is no decent place to visit nearby.

So what are you supposed to do? I can't tell you exactly what to do. I'm not in your situation. But whatever you do, please do not compromise on the Gospel. You can compromise on all sorts of stuff, like hymns with instruments or without, the use of sunday schools, other secondary issues like baptism, etc... but the Gospel is something you just simply cannot compromise on. You probably already know your options. You can do one of the following:

  1. meet together with other believers nearby privately,
  2. talk on the phone or online with other believers - hey I'm available, you can contact me!
  3. travel long distances to where the Gospel is taught. I used to do this.
  4. relocate to another area. This is what I did.
God will direct your steps and you will know what is right when the time comes to decide. But let me give you some encouragement. You won't remain alone forever. God's people will be gathered together in this world and of course in the next. Sweet fellowship in Christ awaits you.

Grace and Peace,
Brandan

Where Can We Fellowship in this Idolatrous Age? (mailchi.mp)
 

Van

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Yet another fault finding of others post, with no content concerning our need to be self critical. Beware the screed of cultists.
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Hot and Holy sex for Married Couples is the basis for men resisting sexual temptation and is a purpose of marriage. That is why Paul tells men to marry to prevent burning in their lust.

If you've ever read Song of Solomon, that book goes above and beyond "Hot and Holy Sex".

The meeting of the Church is NOT for the preaching of the Gospel to the lost. The meeting of the Church is for glorifying God and edification and instruction of the saints. The unsaved are welcome, but they are not the focus. If you make the unsaved the focus you get "seeker sensitive" junk.
 

Martin Marprelate

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
It is a very old saying that if you ever find a perfect church you shouldn't go there because if you do it won't be perfect anymore.
 

AustinC

Well-Known Member
Where do we find fellowship? We find it wherever brothers and sisters meet to adore their Father and their King.
Bonhoeffer's book "Life Together" and the first chapter entitled, community, is worth the read in this thread.
While we may hotly contest various theology here at the BB, if the person is truly made alive with Christ, by the grace of God, then we have eternal fellowship together with Christ. I will gladly die in the foxhole with my Christian brother rather than be with an unsaved blood relative.
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
While we may hotly contest various theology here at the BB, if the person is truly made alive with Christ, by the grace of God, then we have eternal fellowship together with Christ.

We know that being truly made alive in Christ is 100% of God and 0% of man. Anyone who claims they did the slightest thing in order to be saved is 100% wrong about the gospel of Christ.

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
 
Last edited:

KenH

Well-Known Member
The meeting of the Church is NOT for the preaching of the Gospel to the lost. The meeting of the Church is for glorifying God and edification and instruction of the saints. The unsaved are welcome, but they are not the focus. If you make the unsaved the focus you get "seeker sensitive" junk.

I love to tell the story,
for those who know it best
seem hungering and thirsting
to hear it like the rest.
And when in scenes of glory
I sing the new, new song,
'twill be the old, old story
that I have loved so long.

- a verse from the hymn, "I Love to Tell the Story", by Katherine Hankey
 

AustinC

Well-Known Member
We know that being truly made alive in Christ is 100% of God and 0% of man. Anyone who claims they did the slightest thing in order to be saved is 100% wrong about the gospel of Christ.

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Indeed they are ignorantly wrong. I will see them in glory and we may stand together in persecution so I give grace.
 

AustinC

Well-Known Member
Can you be confident that someone can be saved by believing a false gospel?
The core is true. Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. My brother, God has caused them to believe, as he did with you and me. They simply do not see the cause being 100% of God. Their flesh, which God is sanctifying, still clings to an imagination that they cooperated. This work of sanctification is for God to do and he will. I can find fellowship in the core of the gospel.
How can I say this? I spent 30 years as a free will Christian, harboring the idea that I was important to my salvation. God opened my eyes as I read scripture. My wife is still in process. She is a Godly woman. She simply doesn't see. God loves her because Christ covers our faults and our ignorance.

Grace. Extend grace.
 

Marooncat79

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
I love to tell the story,
for those who know it best
seem hungering and thirsting
to hear it like the rest.
And when in scenes of glory
I sing the new, new song,
'twill be the old, old story
that I have loved so long.

- a verse from the hymn, "I Love to Tell the Story", by Katherine Hankey


Umm Ken.

that is a song - and not in the Bible
 

Martin Marprelate

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
We know that being truly made alive in Christ is 100% of God and 0% of man. Anyone who claims they did the slightest thing in order to be saved is 100% wrong about the gospel of Christ.

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
And yet the Lord Jesus says, "Strive to enter through the narrow gate" (Luke 13:24). The Greek word for 'strive' here is agonizomai, from which we get 'agony' and 'agonize.' It's the word used about competitors in the old Olympic Games. They strove, the struggled, they made every effort, and that is what the Lord Jesus bids men and women to do. Do you bid them do it? or do you tell them that there's nothing they can do to enter? That they must just wait and see if they are elect?

2 Corinthians 5:20. 'Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us; we implore [you] on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.' The word 'you' is not in any ancient MS; it is inserted by the translators. God pleads with men and Paul implores them to be reconciled to God. And so do I, without apology.

I write this as a five point Calvinist. I know that the natural man does not receive the things of God, and that unless God opens someone's heart to believe he will never do so. So preaching would seem to be a waste of time; mere foolishness. Yet, 'since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe' (1 Corinthians 1:21). So we preach the Gospel, and every so often we see someone saved, and we praise God for it.

Here's a sermon on Luke 13:24.
It was preached during Lockdown to a congregation of one - the cameraman.
 
Top