Featured Where did the wrath of God go?

@Iconoclast posted this at the end of a now closed thread in which e was responding to a post concerning Ephesians.

"I and all those I have posted think scripture tells us...something took place at the cross to remove it from the elect by satisfying the laws demands.
You evidently avoid that.
The fact that you are not looking at the links shows you are m.j ot really concerned as I suspected.
So they are for those who want to read and gain understanding."
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This is a very good post and shares the essence of the question in which this thread seeks to resolve.

Fist, it is important to examine the specific qualifications of those in whom wrath is appointed. They are taken from Romans 1 and 2. Here is a list:

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him,

they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

to impurity for the dishonoring of their bodies with one another.

25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator,

women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27Likewise, the Men men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another.

they did not see fit to acknowledge God,

filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful. They invent new forms of evil; they disobey their parents. 31They are senseless, faithless, heartless, merciless.

they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them.

5But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed.

6God “will repay each one according to his deeds.”

8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow wickedness, there will be wrath and anger. 9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew, then for the Greek;

11For God does not show favoritism.
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From this list we see that wrath is stored up to pour out upon the ungodly without favoritism. To all those who meet any of these items on the list, the wrath of God is being stored up.

The next post will show were the wrath for believers has gone.

 

This is a continuation of the OP and will begin the answer to where the wrath "vanished" as @Iconoclast has published.

Again, I will start with Romans 1 and 2:

2the gospel He promised beforehand through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3regarding His Son, who was a descendant of David according to the flesh, 4and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. 5Through Him and on behalf of His name, we received grace and apostleship to call all those among the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith. 6And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

16I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek. 17For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
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"The Gospel reveals the righteousness of God." How many times did our Savior deliver the Gospel during His ministry?
"The Gospel ... is the power of God for salvation..." This thought is prominent through the whole book of Romans.

Continuing in Romans we move to chapter 3:

19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the law. For the law merely brings awareness of sin.
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This is also an important principle to hold when considering what happened to God's wrath.
The law brings the awareness of sin, not the justification needed.

Continuing with Romans 3:

21But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets. 22And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
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How did that happen?

25God presented Him as the atoning sacrifice through faith in His blood, in order to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance He had passed over the sins committed beforehand. 26He did this to demonstrate His righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and to justify the one who has faith in Jesus.

27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of works? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29Is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.

31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law.​

So, Romans, in chapter 3 points to the "atoning sacrifice" (propitiation).

Paul is not about just the blood, but the whole. The furniture as well as the actions of the high priest.

What does this passage state concerning the sins of those committed before this atoning sacrifice by Christ? "He had passed over them." Why, to "demonstrate His righteousness..." Why? "To be just and to justify" believers.

What happened to God's wrath?

It is still there, storing up for the ungodly. Those that meet the qualifiers of Romans 1 and 2.

What about wrath that was appointed to us? Next post.

 

Where did the wrath go that was appointed to believers, for we are also appointed to wrath.

Look at Ephesians 2 for an answer:

1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.​

Sounds like a paraphrase of Romans 1 and 2. IMO, Paul preached that message of the coming wrath as a regular part of his presentation of the gospel, for that word of God would allow the Holy Spirit to convict of sin, righteousness, and judgement.

Continuing with Ephesians 2:

4But (and) God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
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What happened to the wrath? It was taken away when made alive with Christ. Christ the atoning sacrifice was raised from the dead, the sacrifice came alive, and we who are believers are alive together with Christ. Ungodly have no such atoning sacrifice and remain under the wrath of God; however, because of the God, we are His workmanship, created in Christ, and are already raised up and seated with Him by Christ Jesus.

11Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. ​

Oh, dear friends, HERE is the answer! Here is were the wrath of God was placed.

IT WAS ABOLISHED!!! The law of commandments expressed in ordinances, HE abolished!!!!

HE the creator of the Law has all authority over the exercise of the law, abolished that which stood against believers nailing it to the cross. (Colossians 2).

Doing so, the old man abides still subject to the law and ordinances, still reaping the wages of sin, Yet we are also a NEW creation.

The vale that once separated believers from the throne of God, is torn and thrown away, and we now come to sit at the presence of God through the vale of His body. (Hebrews) It blocks out the ungodly, and only those of the New Creation have access.

17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.
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The wrath did not vanish.

The wrath met its doom by being nailed to the cross, and abolished.

 

It would be really good if you actually contributed by showing where you present the wrath of God went.

I did, and it seems you don't like it. Yet, you offer nothing but your opinion?

Please present something more substantial and more then "it was poured out upon Christ on the Cross" for so far there has been NO Scripture support found, not by you and not by Iconoclast.

It would seem that your view actually makes "God into the image of a fuzzy pink bunny" because you have no wrath left it was all poured out upon Christ.

Not what the Scriptures which I showed. But what your view brings through universalism.

 

It would be really good if you took what I posted rather than present what I did not post.

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But no, you pervert what I post into such a statement as, "The law was canceled ..... no ten commandments?"

I did not post:

"20Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the law. For the law merely brings awareness of sin.

This is also an important principle to hold when considering what happened to God's wrath.
The law brings the awareness of sin, not the justification needed."
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Iconoclast, if you click on the little blue numbers you will see that is a direct quote from the Scriptures. NOT my own thoughts unlike you present in the next sentence.

Then you present, "Jesus was nailed to the cross in the place of each elect person."​

But you neither prove that statement with Scripture, and present it as if I disagree? Why would you do that?
How many times have I posted Colossians 2:

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross!​

Then you state, "This is unjust if the ungodly get punished for their sins, and believers sins vanish as you describe here."

Yep. Believers are not condemned. The reason is given in Romans 3 as I posted, in Ephesians 2 as I posted and now in Colossians 2 has been posted.

You place great weight on inspecting the Scriptures and proving what is faithful to the standard and principles taught.

I have kept that standard. Now, instead of presenting mere opinion you need to produce actual Scripture that states what you hold. I did, your turn.

 

@AustinC and @Iconoclast

I assumed that you both knew that we believers were also born with the nature subject to God's wrath. Is it not written in Romans 3:

28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law.​

The Law is not toothless. Only believers "apart from the law" are justified by faith. The law of offerings and sacrifices do not apply to the believer. There is no sacrifice other then our own selves in service that God desires. The law's decrees held against us were satisfactorily nailed to the Cross, and therefore the law has no impact upon us. Yet, that pertains to all that is ceremonial, for sin still resides in our earthy bodies so death will come and as death is but a valley called the shadow of death, the sting of judgement has been removed for believers, we have passed from death to life, by the Grace of God.

I will gladly look over what Scripture you bring. I have pleaded multiple times on all these threads for Scripture to be presented.

Do you have such Scripture to present?

Are you really content to have a view that is not actually found in the Scriptures?

You would certainly be able to prove the doctrines of Grace with Scriptures - abundant Scriptures.

That is an example of what is necessary for any foundational doctrine. Not a single verse that doesn't actually meet the standard, but multiple verse statements and multiple presentations of type. From abundance a doctrine is formed. Not from some human inference that is nothing but opinion.

So, bring me Scriptures!

And please, do not post that which is unfounded, in which you know is beneath your own standard.

Teasing is fine, we all can have a good laugh, but mockery - really?

Show me the Scriptures.

 

The Greek, Roman and Persian cultures were/are big on the gods displaying wrath and at war with each other. (imo) some of that influence remains, for how many media presentations that entertain have a great strife between the power brokers and people users.

However there is a verse in 1 Thessalonians that may assist in your wondering:

9For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him. 11Therefore encourage and build one another up, just as you are already doing.
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The wrath of God was never extinguished. It is still filling angel sized bowls in the temple. Part of that wrath is the treatment given the Christ, for our Lord said it would be more tolerable for "Tyre and Sidon then you" (Korazin and Bethsaida).