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continued from part 3:
Calvinism basically is deterministic, cause /effect and that everything results because of a prior cause and that each cause and effect is determined by decree. When Calvinism, those how claim they believe this stuff, allow for contingency in any area of life, free choice, what will I eat for breakfast etc., they in essence deny the view they believe. To say God determines all and then permit contingency is contradictory in view of some of the bold statements that are made by Calvinist, not all. It is a hard thing to consider and I think if anyone tells us it is not they are lying, but that is my take on it. I have to reject Calvinism on the basis that it limits God to robotics, pure determinism determines His foreknowledge and while soft determinism is claimed it is an effort to avoid the real issue that is posited. One cannot claim that things are determined and then say they are not, but this is what Calvinist are good at doing. It is a sea of contradiction and irrational thinking, yet they will hotly contest this evaluation.
The question for all Calvinist is: Do you have just one choice in your entire life that is free? Just one
What I don't want is "You don't understand Calvinism answers to avoid answering the question" because this is a cop out and I am sure some will do it anyway because they are determine to do it but are they so by the decree of God or of their own free will.
There that should do it.
One last statement: I expect to get some sarcastic know it all answers too (perhaps that is determined as it may or may not have been decreed or is it free will)
Originally Posted by Amy.G
Or...you could just answer my question.
It was said that God does not choose randomly who He will save. So there must be a reason that He chooses to save one and passes over another. What is that reason? If there is no reason or basis for His choices, then He chooses randomly.
Deep Dragon states: I honestly cannot answer a question about why God chooses certain people because I am not God. Something that may seem random to us is not random to God because He knows everything. We do know that He saves out of every tribe, kindred, tongue, and nation.
I am not trying to dodge your question. I just cannot answer it.
One thing that confuses me is the mixing of choice with belief. Can one choose to believe something or does it just "click" ? Can I choose to believe that the moon is made out of blue cheese? I know that I can say that, keep telling myself that, and maybe even want to believe that, but I know I cannot believe that because it just does not make any sense.
If someone hears the Gospel in a church service, it may or may not make sense. If the person realizes it is the truth, is a "choice" involved to believe the truth or does it just click? Regardless of whether or not the person "chooses to walk down the isle" that person will either believe or not believe the truth after hearing it.
Don't people make choice based on what they believe? How can one "choose" to believe anything? When you hear or encounter something, you either believe it or not. You make choices to do things based on what you have come to believe. Right?
Calvinism basically is deterministic, cause /effect and that everything results because of a prior cause and that each cause and effect is determined by decree. When Calvinism, those how claim they believe this stuff, allow for contingency in any area of life, free choice, what will I eat for breakfast etc., they in essence deny the view they believe. To say God determines all and then permit contingency is contradictory in view of some of the bold statements that are made by Calvinist, not all. It is a hard thing to consider and I think if anyone tells us it is not they are lying, but that is my take on it. I have to reject Calvinism on the basis that it limits God to robotics, pure determinism determines His foreknowledge and while soft determinism is claimed it is an effort to avoid the real issue that is posited. One cannot claim that things are determined and then say they are not, but this is what Calvinist are good at doing. It is a sea of contradiction and irrational thinking, yet they will hotly contest this evaluation.
The question for all Calvinist is: Do you have just one choice in your entire life that is free? Just one
What I don't want is "You don't understand Calvinism answers to avoid answering the question" because this is a cop out and I am sure some will do it anyway because they are determine to do it but are they so by the decree of God or of their own free will.
There that should do it.
One last statement: I expect to get some sarcastic know it all answers too (perhaps that is determined as it may or may not have been decreed or is it free will)
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