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I'll bite, IMO Zimmerman was obviously continuously looking for trouble and a big question to me is “why” (his real motives)? (I believe he assigned himself to that “duty”.) Regardless, when he finally found the trouble he was looking for with great cowardness abused his right to possess deadly force to avoid getting beat up for assaulting, a teenager no less! Trying to prove himself as something he was not he made huge mistakes in his judgments of himself and his “victim”. He was an accident waiting to happen because of being in a place he was not properly mentally equipped for and playing a deadly game.

I told my kids growing up if you’ve been warned, neglected common sense and even disobeyed me then caused harm because of it it is more than a “misfortunate accident” it is rooted in being “being irresponsible” and “careless”. In this case the only thing black and white about it is that the guy was irresponsible getting himself into that position in several ways and he basically let his “quest” cause the death of a young man.

Even if this teenager, Martin, committed a burglary he didn’t deserve this clown killing him for it. I think he deserves some punishment for his stupidity. If it were my son killed because of this man’s idiotic quest I would expect him to pay for it, dearly, and think taking him off the streets as a danger to society for a while to get his head straight would be a minimum.

 

Well thought out, well argued. I agree completely. :thumbsup:

 

Bill,

IMO, George will still be a scapegoat for what happened, just as this guy who made the Muslim video is now serving time because the left has decided to divert responsibilty to appease the masses. I agree with your OP, but if we are just now finding out about hidden photos and what was in travons bag, what else is there we don't know about. I feel that the bigger picture is what is made for public consumption in America. Do we really need to have instant access to all controversial crimes and such. It was the public outrage that made this incident a BIG DEAL. We have too many ambulance chasers in the media now..IMO.

 

Both of your arguments were clearly short sighted knee- jerk reactions, you must be thinking of yourself.

First, Justice is not blind to “truth”. If I was the father of that murder “victim” (as I pointed out and you failed to address in your short sidedness) I would be right there with the prosecution making sure that “truth” was brought to light and justice was served!

Second, Zimmerman was 28 years old, 11 years older than that “teenager” and plenty old enough to be held accountable for his “irresponsibility” in his behavior being in the position he was in (which again you did not address).

Third, please note that not one word of my argument was directed to you personally, but toward your argument!

In your short sidedness you did not even come to understand that your attempt to defend his actions by making your argument were thoroughly refuted and remain so after your incredibly weak, unfactual and geared to insulting as your main rebuttal.

After demonstrating your complete lack of ethical ability to address what was said in in contradiction of your attempted defense for Zimmerman your response to those who engaged “your reasoning” was to tell them that they must not have understood “your argument” and then personally attack us insinuting we (those who disagreed with you) are not Christ-like! Sir, on top of your response which displays shameful ignorance, arrogance and poor reasoning skills I suggest you take another look at your own behavior as you come on to a debate board and try to argue “your” side of this debate.

 

I have yet to read a comment (here or on news media sites) that was against Zimmerman that relied only on facts to make their case. They have all been emotionally charged and showing their bias right out of the gate. Ben's post here is a case in point. The "clown" comments and the opinions of the thought process and motive of Zimmerman betray you.

 

This comes across as nothing less than sanctimonious and empty. You aren't sharpening a brother, you are demonizing a brother that disagrees with the conclusions you've drawn.

 

Hyperbole much?

Calling Benjamin a racist (may as well include me, I agree with him) or referring to him in anyway as a Klansman is a new low-water mark for defamation on this board. That's saying something too.

With ridiculous comments like that, you diminish the power and worth of anything else you might have said. THAT is a "not Christ like attempt" NOT just to generate a fight but to tear down a brother with whom you disagree. Shame on you.

I hope you ruminate over this enough to regret your words, confess them for what they are, hateful and unworthy of a Pastor (Lay or otherwise; all in my insignificant opinion...yet offered happily) and seek his forgiveness.

 

Any disagreement with what you come to this board to dictate to others is un-Christ-like in your warpped and twisted arrogant mind and is looking for a fight.

Again, you are very warpped to come up with such conclusions and make such unfounded accusations! Get help.

 

If you read the transcript; the dispatcher tells Zimmerman "OK, we don't need you to do that" when asked if he was following the running suspect. He responded with "Ok".

Shouldn't that have ended the the confrontation?
And I'll grant that; I don't know all of the circumstances, I'm not familiar with the setting, I wasn't there. But, I have been in a similar situation. I listened to the "authority" (read dispatcher), did not pursue my "suspect" and most importantly, in the end, did not find myself in the dire straits Mr. Zimmerman is currently in.

OOPS! I edited to add a link to the transcript. This may not be safe for work... MODS, there are expletives in the transcript. If this should not be linked, take it down if needs be. I mean no offense in posting a link but it sheds light... http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

 

Well, that clown comment does not negate anything I said concerning being Zimmerman being responsible for the position he found himself in. My judgment of the matter is what caused the descriptive term and was the root of the matter before the emotion arose. And, you bet it was meant to be descriptive and has some emotion behind it, but again that in no way points to my argument being based on that emotion. I based it on as if it were my own son and this gun toting cops and robber wannabe which has shown himself to be a danger to society because of his incompetence in placing himself in that position and because of his sheer stupidity of placing himself in that position, which he obviously strongly desired to be in, but could not handle consequences of was to end up killing my son!

As for motive, it seems more than clear concerning his stringent efforts to be in this sort of quest that some type of motives were present beyond that of simply observing and reporting a crime (his irresponsibility in doing so and consequences aside) he was looking for trouble, disregarded being told to stay on his truck, then couldn’t handle the situation he got himself into without using deadly force to do so. That alone should be enough to show his motives were messed up and irresponsible. God help him if this “cowboy” was EVER heard saying he would like to physically harm to some burglar beforehand if it were my son that were killed!

As that father there is no way I would neglect to take into regards Zimmerman being clearly “irresponsible” - in several ways he irresponsibly placed himself in that position to go about his little dangerous quest adventures like it was some sort of ego building cop-n-robbers game of which he was VERY OBVIOUSLY NOT properly mentally or physically equipped for which he has now demonstrated completely beyond any doubt that if he actually ended up in some of the trouble he was continually looking for and hoping to find that he would miserably FAIL IN HIS RESPONSIBILTY WHICH HE “SO WILLINGLY” PLACED ON HIMSELF. That takes a moron and I call them as I see them. On top of this his poor mental judgment of challenging a teenager that physically could kick his butt and then, I have little doubt, in that it was anything more than a “overreaction” on his part, made in fear, because of being afraid to spill a little blood in the fight WHICH he started and irresponsibly put himself in the position of…and so THEN he pulled out his deadly force and ended the teenager’s life – his little quest which was laced in irresponsibility and caused a young man to die need to be looked at with a critical eye to see how this “misfortunate accident” got there and it is clear to me how it got there. Now he needs to be held accountable for irresponsibility.

 

You a SINNER!!! :tongue3: You going down and wallerin in depths of hell fer talkin to me like that in disagreeing fashion.

 

More sanctimony and nice dollop of self-righteousness ta' boot.

"Bow down to hell and waller" because I disagree with you about the circumstances surrounding the rights and wrongs of the ending of a young man's life? You're accusing me of bowing down to hell and by implication, satan? Once again, shame on you. I'm a sinner saved by grace, washed by the blood of the Lamb, a dwelling for the Holy Spirit and all thanks to redeeming work of Jesus Christ. I've never bowed down to hell or satan. I've sinned certainly and will do so on a daily basis and will joyfully be cleansed and daily made new in the redemptive cleansing of my Savior. You are the same, you claim the same. In that light, consider the work of your tongue (words in this context, in this thread), because right now, your ship seems to be running aground.

I've read the entire "string" I was engaged from post #3. I even responded to several points along the narrative. You're on a slippery slope. You're entitled to your OPINIONS about the Zimmerman case, as am I. Never forget that your OPINION is simply that. Claiming I have a chip on my shoulder is more hyperbole, it doesn't help "fix" what you've said and it doesn't change anything in the conversation. You've lost any hope of holding the high ground here.

You can play around with semantics all you want. You said what you did, it's all right there in your posts. Words mean things, words strung together have even greater meanings. There was clear implication and inference, both of which are easily parsed by reasonable people. The comparisons you made are unconscionable and unbecoming for a man of God.

 

You will be held responsible for your emotional false judgment as a teacher in this matter in which you have been unChrist-like and sinned while thinking of yourself as cute! You will be held to a higher standard than you have given!

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