While we be physically or spiritually resurrected?

[AustinC]

Why are gnostics still claiming to be Christians?

 

[percho]

Yes, but do not stop there. Go on to verse 49.

You skip the key verse.

V 46 and the word - ἔπειτα

The whole of the chapter deals with the dead being raised.

I believe this was written before AD 70 therefore the only one at that time to have experienced being raised out of the dead, to die no more Rom 6:9, was Jesus, V 46 at that time was only relative to Jesus and speaks of Jesus being first natural, soulish See Heb 2:14, 1 John 4:2,3 Rom 5:14 and then (after being raised from the dead) as the last/ second Adam, spiritual.

 

[asterisktom]

You skip the key verse.

V 46 and the word - ἔπειτα

The whole of the chapter deals with the dead being raised.

I believe this was written before AD 70 therefore the only one at that time to have experienced being raised out of the dead, to die no more Rom 6:9, was Jesus, V 46 at that time was only relative to Jesus and speaks of Jesus being first natural, soulish See Heb 2:14, 1 John 4:2,3 Rom 5:14 and then (after being raised from the dead) as the last/ second Adam, spiritual.

I am pretty sure that all of Scripture was written before AD 70, but that would be a whole "nuther" topic.

You are hanging too much on that verse and on that word. But "wronger" than this, I am sorry to say, is your take on the passage as a whole. Certainly the dead being raised is a big part of the chapter but your saying that the two "Adams" here are both Christ seems both bizarre and unscriptural - especially Christ, as Adam 1, being "soulish"

By not seeing that first Adam as being the Adam of Genesis you miss an essential foundation for the context: the two natures of the two Adams being defined by their respective origins. Adam 1 is from the dust, earthly, natural. Adam is (was, is, and always will be) spirit. He certainly was before the Incarnation - and that is the essential point made here in verse 45 and 47.

And it is the spiritual essence of Adam 2 - Christ - that is the image that we will have. Spiritual, not like Adam 1.

"We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

 

[percho]

I am pretty sure that all of Scripture was written before AD 70, but that would be a whole "nuther" topic.

You are hanging too much on that verse and on that word. But "wronger" than this, I am sorry to say, is your take on the passage as a whole. Certainly the dead being raised is a big part of the chapter but your saying that the two "Adams" here are both Christ seems both bizarre and unscriptural - especially Christ, as Adam 1, being "soulish"

By not seeing that first Adam as being the Adam of Genesis you miss an essential foundation for the context: the two natures of the two Adams being defined by their respective origins. Adam 1 is from the dust, earthly, natural. Adam is (was, is, and always will be) spirit. He certainly was before the Incarnation - and that is the essential point made here in verse 45 and 47.

And it is the spiritual essence of Adam 2 - Christ - that is the image that we will have. Spiritual, not like Adam 1.

"We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

I may not have been clear.

The first man Adam is the man of Genesis 1:26/2:7 and was natural, soulish if you will, and the last Adam Jesus first came natural soulish and after the resurrection was the second man, spiritual. life giving spirit.

Which according to Acts 2:33 being raised out of the dead, he received from the Father and then shed forth.

! Peter 3:18 because also Christ (the living soul of which the first man Adam was the type thereof) once for sin did suffer -- righteous for unrighteous -- that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, (to) flesh, and having been made alive (to) the spirit,

And it is the essence of, the last Adam - Christ - that is the image that we will have. Spiritual, as the second man who was raised out of the dead, to die no more, death hath no more dominion over him.