White House report: Most welfare recipients able to hold jobs, but aren't

[carpro]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...obs-but-arent/9661531412362/?spt=su&or=btn_fb


White House report: Most welfare recipients able to hold jobs, but aren't


July 12 (UPI) -- A White House report said Thursday most Americans living in poverty who receive government benefits are not working, even though they are able to -- a published backing for the Trump administration's plan to impose new work requirements for welfare recipients.

The 66-page report from the White House Council of Economic Advisers said poverty numbers of non-disabled adults are "a deeply flawed reflection of material hardship."




The report follows a district court ruling last month that blocked Kentucky's plan to require work and monthly premiums for some recipients to receive Medicaid.

U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg said the Trump administration failed to consider whether changes in Kentucky laws could help the state furnish assistance. The judge said the federal decision to allow work requirements is "arbitrary and capricious."

Kentucky imposed the requirement in January and it would have taken effect last month if it hadn't been blocked in federal court. The law mandated 80 hours of work or other employment activity per month.




Critics, though, argue adding a mandate to work for impoverished Americans defeats the purpose of government aid.

 

[FollowTheWay]

https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news/economy/medicaid-work-requirement/index.html
Millions of Medicaid recipients already work
by Tami Luhby @LuhbyJanuary 10, 2018: 3:34 PM ET

Some 60% of working age, non-disabled Medicaid enrollees are working, according to a new report from the Kaiser Family Foundation. That's about 15 million people.
Plus, nearly eight in 10 recipients live in families with at least one worker.

 

[InTheLight]

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Millions of Medicaid recipients already work
by Tami Luhby @LuhbyJanuary 10, 2018: 3:34 PM ET

Some 60% of working age, non-disabled Medicaid enrollees are working, according to a new report from the Kaiser Family Foundation. That's about 15 million people.
Plus, nearly eight in 10 recipients live in families with at least one worker.

Medicaid recipients <> welfare recipients.

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[carpro]

Medicaid recipients <> welfare recipients.

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Same same

 

[FollowTheWay]

Same same

So you only include in "welfare" Medicaid?

Medicaid recipients <> welfare recipients.

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From trhe original nonsensical popst.

The study said most non-disabled working-age adults who receive Medicaid, 61 percent, do not work or work very few hours.

The other two major welfare programs, Medicaid and food stamps, have similar numbers. The report said more than two-thirds of SNAP food stamp recipients and 59 percent who receive housing assistance are unemployed.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Same same

Interesting that you only include Medicaid in the category of "Welfare."

 

[carpro]

Interesting that you only include Medicaid in the category of "Welfare."

That's a ridiculous conclusion to draw. You pulled that one out of thin air.

 

[777]

these are two different studes and the parameters aren't the same - the WH report:

Note: We identify program recipients based on receipt of benefits during December 2013. “Adult” refers to all individuals age 18 or over. “Working-age” refers to individuals age 18-64. “Aged” refers to all individuals age 65 and over. “Disabled” refers to all adult individuals who receive disability benefits (Supplemental Security Income, Social Security Disability Insurance, or Veterans disability benefits). We base hours of work on the average hours per week each individual reported during December 2013. SNAP refers to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. Housing refers to households who indicate receipt of rental subsidies.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conte...Requirements-in-Non-Cash-Welfare-Programs.pdf

then the Kaiser study which uses much more lenient definitions:

This analysis is based on Kaiser Family Foundation analysis of the March 2017 Current Population Survey (CPS), which reflects health insurance coverage in 2016. We included nonelderly adults (age 19-64) who indicated that they had Medicaid at some point during the year. We excluded people who indicated that they received Supplemental Security Income (SSI) during the year, since these individuals likely qualify for Medicaid on the basis of having a disability (and would likely be excluded from work requirements). To match timing of work variables to health insurance coverage, we used measures of work status throughout 2016. Individuals who worked at any point in 2016 were classified as “working.”

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work/

Kaiser treats a person that works 80+ hours/week with no vacation the same as someone who worked half a day that year.

 

[FollowTheWay]

That's a ridiculous conclusion to draw. You pulled that one out of thin air.

The symbol A<>B means if and ONLY if in mathematics.

A ⇔ B means A is true if B is true and A is false if B is false.

x + 5 = y + 2 ⇔ x + 3 = y

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbols

 

[InTheLight]

The symbol A<>B means if and ONLY if in mathematics.

A ⇔ B means A is true if B is true and A is false if B is false.

x + 5 = y + 2 ⇔ x + 3 = y

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbols

Nope. Sorry. In internet usage (Twitter, Facebook, etc.), <> means "is not equal to" because the actual symbol, ≠, is not available on keyboards.

And in any event I am using the 'less than' and 'greater than' symbols and not that specialty symbol you're using.

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[carpro]

The symbol A<>B means if and ONLY if in mathematics.

A ⇔ B means A is true if B is true and A is false if B is false.

x + 5 = y + 2 ⇔ x + 3 = y

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbols

All of which I couldn't care less about.

Medicaid is welfare, along with a host of other means tested government handouts, up to and including the IRS child tax credit and earned income credit.

 

[InTheLight]

All of which I couldn't care less about.

Medicaid is welfare, along with a host of other means tested government handouts, up to and including the IRS child tax credit and earned income credit.

Medicaid is a form of welfare, yes. But reading the headline of the OP, "Most Welfare Recipients Able to Hold Jobs, but Aren't" led me to believe Medicaid was not the entitlement program that was being referred to in the article. I thought it was about AFDC and food stamps. Medicaid is typically financial aid for disabled people, though that definition has been greatly expanded recently.

So when I said Medicaid is not equal to welfare, I meant that Medicaid was not AFDC and SNAP.

Something is seriously wrong with one of these reports:

1. Some 60% of working age, non-disabled Medicaid enrollees are working, according to a new report from the Kaiser Family Foundation.

2. The report from the White House Council of Economic Advisers said most non-disabled working-age adults who receive Medicaid, 61%, do not work or work very few hours.

I tend to agree with 777 that Kaiser counts recipients that worked a couple hours as "working" whereas the White House report states those that "work very few hours" is not working.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Nope. Sorry. In internet usage (Twitter, Facebook, etc.), <> means "is not equal to" because the actual symbol, ≠, is not available on keyboards.

And in any event I am using the 'less than' and 'greater than' symbols and not that specialty symbol you're using.

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Sorry Charlie. Math rules.

 

[777]

Math rules? Never seen that for "if and only if", this A ⇔ B does mean that, as does "iff" for proofs, but A<>B means an inequality in many languages.

Later versions of SQL will use != to denote an inequality but I hate that one.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Math rules? Never seen that for "if and only if", this A ⇔ B does mean that, as does "iff" for proofs, but A<>B means an inequality in many languages.

Later versions of SQL will use != to denote an inequality but I hate that one.

Math rules? Never seen that for "if and only if", this A ⇔ B does mean that, as does "iff" for proofs, but A<>B means an inequality in many languages.

Later versions of SQL will use != to denote an inequality but I hate that one.

<> is defined here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbols

Of course, I don't consider Wikipedia to be the perfect source for this kind of thing but in my experience this definition is correct.
I agree with the iff definition. I also found in looking at this that <> is used in certain programming languages to mean not equal to but that is somewhat esoteric for most internet users.

Actually, to use the not equal to symbol in Word it can be found under the Insert tab/symbols.

 

[777]

Yeah:

(The forms !=, /= or <> are generally used in programming languages where ease of typing and use of ASCII text is preferred.)

for this thing: ≠ (copied and pasted)

but when you're messing with "iff" and A ⇔ B, you need at least one line between the A and the B, else you have A<>B.

What does this matter? The premise was Medicaid recipients are not welfare recipients, they are two different groups. Nah, there are six YUGE welfare programs - TANF, Medicaid, SSI, ETIC, food stamps and housing assistance (sec 8). So the correct geek usage would be: Medicaid ⊂ Welfare Programs.

Not to be confused with REAL entitlement programs. things that are paid for with payroll taxes - SS, workman's comp, Medicare and unemployment insurance. Think it's not a great term - "entitlement", as if you deserve it just coz you're so awesome, but it's really that you deserve it because you. ummm, paid for it for decades.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Yeah:

(The forms !=, /= or <> are generally used in programming languages where ease of typing and use of ASCII text is preferred.)

for this thing: ≠ (copied and pasted)

but when you're messing with "iff" and A ⇔ B, you need at least one line between the A and the B, else you have A<>B.

What does this matter? The premise was Medicaid recipients are not welfare recipients, they are two different groups. Nah, there are six YUGE welfare programs - TANF, Medicaid, SSI, ETIC, food stamps and housing assistance (sec 8). So the correct geek usage would be: Medicaid ⊂ Welfare Programs.

Not to be confused with REAL entitlement programs. things that are paid for with payroll taxes - SS, workman's comp, Medicare and unemployment insurance. Think it's not a great term - "entitlement", as if you deserve it just coz you're so awesome, but it's really that you deserve it because you. ummm, paid for it for decades.

No, this report said this:

From the original nonsensical post.

The study said most non-disabled working-age adults who receive Medicaid, 61 percent, do not work or work very few hours.

The other two major welfare programs, Medicaid and food stamps, have similar numbers. The report said more than two-thirds of SNAP food stamp recipients and 59 percent who receive housing assistance are unemployed.

Notice it talked about medicaid and then referred to the other two major welfare programs. Duh. This is obviously a poorly written and suspect article.

 

[777]

so? Just because it mentioned other welfare programs besides Medicaid, the report is faulty?

It mentioned the big one and this one is from the government, which is why they talked about other welfare programs. Kaiser has only the Medicaid stats.

This is NOT Medicare, duh, and people abusing and defrauding Medicaid. There is a waiting list a mile long and thousands have died waiting:

https://thefga.org/research/waiting-help-medicaid-waiting-list-crisis/

don't read it, it will give a liberal another headache.

 

[FollowTheWay]

so? Just because it mentioned other welfare programs besides Medicaid, the report is faulty?

It mentioned the big one and this one is from the government, which is why they talked about other welfare programs. Kaiser has only the Medicaid stats.

This is NOT Medicare, duh, and people abusing and defrauding Medicaid. There is a waiting list a mile long and thousands have died waiting:

https://thefga.org/research/waiting-help-medicaid-waiting-list-crisis/

don't read it, it will give a liberal another headache.

If you don't see something wrong about this statement I can't help you.
The study said most non-disabled working-age adults who receive Medicaid, 61 percent, do not work or work very few hours.

The other two major welfare programs, Medicaid and food stamps, h

 

[777]

So, the reporter was a dummy, she should have said "housing assistance" instead of Medicaid in the second paragraph. And?

that's just careless writing, not a mortal sin. It's not in this report:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conte...Requirements-in-Non-Cash-Welfare-Programs.pdf

but, nah, let's just throw the whole thing out because some reporter and her proofreaders messed up a recap.