Who are we as a Gentile

Hello

I really enjoyed a few of your bullets. Please allow me to ask you: Do you believe Israel is the elect of God? I mean bloodline Israel.

Romans 2
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

These verses seem to indicate that being a real "Jew" has nothing to do with "Jewish blood".

What do you think?

 

Here's what I am. The seed of Abraham. Part of the Israel of GOD.

Galations 4:
26: For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27: For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

Amen

Good Scripture, James. Are you saying we agree?

 

Absolutley my dear brother!

 

ACTS 13:

29: And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
30: But God raised him from the dead:
31: And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
32: And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
33: God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

God has fulfilled all promises in The Lord Jesus Christ!

 

ROMANS 9:
6: Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8: That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

Hello Psalm (I like your verse, by the way)

Just a mild reproof: I really don't mean any harm. I know it is hard to sense that through the internet at times, but here goes: I beg of you, don't make the same mistake many New Tesatment believers make.

My point: You are a part of the mystery of God as revealed to the Apostle Paul if you have trust Christ to save you. You are part of the Israel of God according to the Scriptures our brother James shared with you. You are the elect according to the following Scripture.

Colossians 3
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Does this not mean you are part of the elect of God? How many "elects" does He have? Please earnestly study the Scriptures myself and James have left you.

Also, as far as the passages you sited for losing one's salvation: I would encourage you, as a member of the mystery of God, find your proof texts for doctrine in the letters from our Apostle Paul..God's spokesman for this age. Your Scriptures from Hebrews and Psalms are lovely to say the least. They are however, someone else's instruction much like God gave instruction to Noah to build and ark, but not to us. However, we do learn from what God told Noah to do, namely, we learn from his faith (Hebrews 11) being shown by his obedience, but still, we don't build an ark because that is Noah's mail, not ours.

Thanks for your consideration on these matters.

Your brother,
Bill

 

The Jews that were cut off for unbelief, were in the same condition as Gentiles; Lost because of their unbelief.

The Jews that believed did so because they were "chosen" (Rom. 11:7 "What then? That which Israel is seeking for, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened." Being "chosen" by God made the difference.

We Gentiles, who are "chosen" and are brought to salvation in Jesus by God, are therefore in the same condition as those Jews who are "chosen" and believed. (Rom. 8:26-33).

The "elect" are one group, made up of Jews and Gentiles (all nations), that God has chosen for salvation by His own will, by the working out of His plan of redemption for them, and according to the power of Holy Spirit who brings us all into the relationship with God as the "children of God".

peace to youraise:

 

Rom 11:7 says that of all the Jews, only those that were chosen obtained what that were seeking.

My hope is in Jesus, not in my ability to believe in Jesus. I hope you can understand the difference.

peace to youraise:

 

Psalms

Psalms 109,
Do you not like me or something? How come my question on Colossians 3:14 has not received an answer other than the following:


"I am not an elect, but God sees no difference between me and them."

Now, I beg of you, show some consideration to me and answer my question from my previous post.

 

I haven't kept up with this thread, but it's amazing to see how many people make saved OT Jews and Christians one entity. Maybe I'm misreading what you all are saying, but there are not just two groups of people the saved and the lost.

God has three firstborn sons. He has His Only Begotten Son, which is a first and only born. He has Israel as a firstborn son by creation and then He will have a first born son by adoption from those that are overcomers within Christendom.

To combine everyone into one large group leaves you with serious contradictions in the Bible!

Again maybe I'm misreading where some of you all are coming from, so feel free to share if I am.

 

Psalms and Jump

I can see this is a no win.

Psalms, you don't even address the Scriptures brought up. It's hard to have light shed on them when you don't want to open your eyes. I may seem hateful, but you sound like you're saying "Don't Confuse me with the facts"

Jump,
No Scripture at all on your post. How can I argue with that?

Is there anyone else out there that believes what God says in His Word?

 

So you are saying that you have never read Scripture that says Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God? That would be John 3:16. Have you never read that Israel is God's son even His firstborn? That would be what Moses was instructed to tell pharoah when he was told to let the people go. That would be Exodus 4:22.

Romans 8 & 9 deal with adoption as sons. Galations 4:5 and Ephesians 1:5.

Hope that helps.

 

Jump

The issue at hand is "Is the church the elect of God"? as brought up by Psalms 109

I share a verse in the writings of Paul that says we are the elect of God. Now, we can go from several angles, but PrimePower7 (Bill Sturm) is part of the elect of God! As was shown by James and myself, I am also part of the true Israel of God (earlier in the thread).

I am not a second thought to God.."Like oops, Israel messed up, I guess I'll take Bill". No way, I was foreknown before the earth was laid to be His elect, His chosen, part of His Israel. Look at the Scriptures stated earlier in the thread.