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  1. The_Narrow_Road

    The_Narrow_Road New Member

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    How do you determine which parts of the Bible are truth?
    How do you determine which parts of the Bible are literal?
    How do you determine which parts of the Bible are factual?

    For instance, in Genesis 1:5 "...And the evening and the morning were the first day."
    Was this truth?
    On what basis did you come to that conclusion?
    Is this literal?
    On what basis did you come to that conclusion?
    Is it factual?
    On what basis did you come to that conclusion?

    After answering that, then you can go to Genesis 1:8,13,19,23,and 31 also Genesis 2:2 and answer the questions again.

    What is my point in doing this? Some have said the creation account is a myth. Others have said it is truth, but not fact. It seems a few actually accept the Genesis account of creation, the literal six 24 hour day account. Are you putting your faith in a book that you can't fully accept as truth? Then how can you put your faith in the Christ that is described in that very book? When the Bible says that the serpent spoke, was that myth, truth, fact, literal? What about the ass that spoke? Myth, truth, fact, literal?

    See, when one says the literal six 24 hour days of creation are just not to be taken literal, even though Scripture is so clear on it, it opens up a whole new box of questions. How do you determine which parts are literal, fact, truth, myth, lie, etc.? By man's reasoning? Science? The word of God itself? Scholars? Theologians?

    I've used this verse and will keep using it. Yes, it does include me also:

    LET GOD BE TRUE, AND EVERY MAN A LIAR!
    His word is truth, accept it or reject it. You can't straddle the fence.
     
    #1 The_Narrow_Road, Feb 14, 2003
  2. Rick Sr.

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    AMEN, Brother, I agree totally. Rick Sr. [​IMG]
     
    #2 Rick Sr., Feb 14, 2003
  3. rufus

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    rufus Amens both posts!!!

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    #3 rufus, Feb 14, 2003
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    100% [​IMG]

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  5. Ruth

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    Is Genesis 1:5 the truth? Absolutely. Why? Because God said so in the Bible. I also accept this passage as both literal and factual, again because God said this so clearly in the Bible. BUT - when you add to this verse by saying "the literal six 24 hour day account", you are adding to God's word and the Bible does NOT say that. He did not tell us how many of our hours there were in his days. There are also other passages in the Bible which give a reference to God's time in comparison to our time. So I am not willing to add to what He has told us here - but it is still the absolute truth because He said so!

    I do not intend offense by these statements. This is simply my interpretation of this passage.

    Ruth
     
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  6. Rev. Joshua

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    I often wonder how fundamentalists decide what to take literally as well. For instance:

    - why don't they adopt the pacifism of the Amish? (Matthew 5:39)

    - why don't they give everything they have to the poor? (Mark 10:21)

    - why do they have savings accounts? (Luke 12:21)

    How is it that fundamentalists decide what to take literally?

    Joshua
     
    #6 Rev. Joshua, Feb 14, 2003
  7. rufus

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    Rev.Joshua said:

    First, good brother, define "fundamentalists." I probably "are" ONE!!

    Second, how is it that non-fundamentalists (not all, but some)don't take it quite literally?

    Would anyone care for an extensive word study of the Hebrew word "yom?" Wow, is it eye opening!! lol GD&R

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  8. Thankful

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    Knowing the truth is very simple.

    Jesus said, I am the truth, the way and the life.

    If you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, then all other truths will be revealed to you.
     
    #8 Thankful, Feb 14, 2003
  9. Charlotte Marcel

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    Amen Betty.

    God is perfect. Men are fallible. ;)
     
    #9 Charlotte Marcel, Feb 14, 2003
  10. Grasshopper

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    See, when one says the literal six 24 hour days of creation are just not to be taken literal, even though Scripture is so clear on it, it opens up a whole new box of questions

    Your problem is that the Bible doesn't say 6/24 hour days. It says DAY! The argument is over the Hebrew word for day. You can be a literalist and believe both.

    It is not as simple as you seem to believe. There are hundreds of examples.
     
    #10 Grasshopper, Feb 14, 2003
  11. rufus

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    Grasshopper from Texas said:

    Actually, it says "Yom." ;) [word study, huh]

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    #11 rufus, Feb 14, 2003
  12. Johnv

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    I agree. I believe in Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. The revealed truth of Genesis is who God is, and what we are to Him. The revealed truth of Genesis has nothing to do with belief in a literal 6 day creation.
     
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  13. Johnv

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    His word is truth, accept it or reject it. You can't straddle the fence.

    I accept it. It's all truth. It's not all fact.
     
    #13 Johnv, Feb 14, 2003
  14. LadyEagle

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    Narrow Road, you are right on! [​IMG]
     
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    Not too many years ago, the fundamentalists were all out for a so-called "gap theory". They were fundamental to the core, but they were prepared to make an imaginary gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2......How things change over time.

    Sometimes literal and myth overlap. Myth meaning a story and not a lie. Sometimes allegory is used in scripture, and parables, that may or maynot be factual, except in meaning.

    If understanding scripture was so simple, we would not have so many divisions. There are rules for understanding scripture and they include; who is speaking and to whom; customs of the times; historical context and the theological meaning for the time and for to-day.

    It just isn't all cut and dried, and I am a firm believer in the absolute truth and veracity of the word of God.

    Cheers,

    Jim

    PS.. The Hebrew word yowm can mean day, the warm hours, from one sunset to the other, or a space of time. In Hebrew thinking any part of a day can be seen as a whole day.
     
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  16. Bob Farnaby

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    LET GOD BE TRUE, AND EVERY MAN A LIAR!
    His word is truth, accept it or reject it. You can't straddle the fence.

    Even if you reject it, it still is the truth, it's you who are mistaken. God's truth does not depend on man's agreement.

    Regards
    Bob
     
    #16 Bob Farnaby, Feb 15, 2003
  17. Jim H.

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    Hey, Narrow Road. RIGHT ON! [​IMG]
     
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  18. rufus

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    JohnV said:

    Somebody please explain how truth may exist apart from facts.

    rufus [​IMG]

    P.S. The hundreds of uses of the Hebrew word "yom" yield interesting results.
     
    #18 rufus, Feb 15, 2003
  19. Thankful

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    Thank you for reminding us of this.
     
    #19 Thankful, Feb 15, 2003
  20. Ed Edwards

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    The Truth is
    NOT a set of facts.
    The Truth is NOT a lofty ideal.
    The Truth is NOT a hefty opinion.
    The Truth is a person: Messiah Yeshua.

    I always thought it was interesting
    in a strange way
    that in the PC = politically correctness,
    world, it is proper to be searching
    for the Truth. But if you ever find the
    truth, the PC crowd immediately labels
    you "Bigot". [​IMG]
     
    #20 Ed Edwards, Feb 15, 2003
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