Who killed Christ?

[Martin Marprelate]

I was rather surprised at the claim made to a Jewish member (ex-member?) of this board that his own nation killed the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 4:27-28, NIV. 'Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against Your holy servant Jesus. They did what Your power and will decided beforehand should happen.'
Isaiah 53:10. 'Yet it was the LORD's will to crush Him and cause Him to suffer.'
Calling people or their race Christ-killers is really not an example of Christian kindness. In fact it was all of us who were guilty of our Lord's death. Had there been no sin, the Lord Jesus need not have suffered and died. 'He was pierced for our transgressions; He was crushed for our iniquities.' Perhaps a little humility, as well as kindness, would not come amiss.

 

[atpollard]

It was my people … I am descended from Italian immigrants, so it is not impossible that one of my ancestors drove the nails.

However, from the human perspective, the Jewish Religious leaders plotted in secret, the Jewish people cheered and jeered in public, the Roman occupiers ultimately performed the execution, even the Disciples ran and hid. There was no one present that was covered in “innocence”.

Yet, as Christ himself said “no man takes my life, I have the power to lay it down and I have the power to take it back up.” So once we step back from trying to assign blame, it was OUR sin (YOURS and MINE, specifically) and it was the WILL of God to address our problem that was “responsible” for that cross.

 

[Scarlett O.]

I was rather surprised at the claim made to a Jewish member (ex-member?) of this board that his own nation killed the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 4:27-28, NIV. 'Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against Your holy servant Jesus. They did what Your power and will decided beforehand should happen.'
Isaiah 53:10. 'Yet it was the LORD's will to crush Him and cause Him to suffer.'
Calling people or their race Christ-killers is really not an example of Christian kindness. In fact it was all of us who were guilty of our Lord's death. Had there been no sin, the Lord Jesus need not have suffered and died. 'He was pierced for our transgressions; He was crushed for our iniquities.' Perhaps a little humility, as well as kindness, would not come amiss.

If you will show me who and when used the term "Christ-killer", I will ban them now.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Did the Romans crucify Jesus? Yes.

Did the Jewish Pharisees orchestrate it? Yes. Peter told the Jews in his first sermon to them that they were held responsible. Acts 2:36-38a = "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. "

Was it God's will? Yes.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

If you will show me who and when used the term "Christ-killer", I will ban them now.

You can read the thread through as well as I can. But I have no desire to see anyone banned; only to ask for a little more kindness and civility.

 

[Scarlett O.]

You can read the thread through as well as I can. But I have no desire to see anyone banned; only to ask for a little more kindness and civility.

I'll go back and try to find it. What you did not see was the vile private message sent from the banned member to another and the attempts to personally insult that I kept having to delete.

I am all for civility and the phrase "Christ - killer" to describe a Jewish member is grounds for an automatic ban.

 

[robycop3]

In His infinite wisdom & power, God arranged it so the Jews would be responsible for Jesus' death, but the actual physical act would be done by the Romans. Remember, Pilate was against killing Hom, but the Jews convinced him to allow it by threatening to report him to Rome as not being a friend of Caesar's by setting free a man who claimed to be a king of the Jews. Thus, the "religious" Jews in power in their tribe were responsible for causing Jesus' death, but by causing the Romans to physically carry out the deed, escaped carrying the stigma of actually having killed Him.

And remember, Jesus Himself chose the moment of His death, saying at that moment, "It is finished!" Thus, NO HUMAN actually killed Jesus, although they made Him suffer a great deal.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In His infinite wisdom & power, God arranged it so the Jews would be responsible for Jesus' death, but the actual physical act would be done by the Romans. Remember, Pilate was against killing Hom, but the Jews convinced him to allow it by threatening to report him to Rome as not being a friend of Caesar's by setting free a man who claimed to be a king of the Jews. Thus, the "religious" Jews in power in their tribe were responsible for causing Jesus' death, but by causing the Romans to physically carry out the deed, escaped carrying the stigma of actually having killed Him.

And remember, Jesus Himself chose the moment of His death, saying at that moment, "It is finished!" Thus, NO HUMAN actually killed Jesus, although they made Him suffer a great deal.

So it was a collaboration correct?

 

[Van]

I was rather surprised at the claim made to a Jewish member (ex-member?) of this board that his own nation killed the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 4:27-28, NIV. 'Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against Your holy servant Jesus. They did what Your power and will decided beforehand should happen.'
Isaiah 53:10. 'Yet it was the LORD's will to crush Him and cause Him to suffer.'
Calling people or their race Christ-killers is really not an example of Christian kindness. In fact it was all of us who were guilty of our Lord's death. Had there been no sin, the Lord Jesus need not have suffered and died. 'He was pierced for our transgressions; He was crushed for our iniquities.' Perhaps a little humility, as well as kindness, would not come amiss.

Yes, the claim that these people or that people killed Christ seems like tribalism to me too!
Christ was put to death by the predetermined plan implemented by God. His mission was to sacrifice His life as the Lamb of God to take away the sin of the humanity, one sinner at a time.

 

[kyredneck]

I was rather surprised at the claim made to a Jewish member (ex-member?) of this board that his own nation killed the Lord Jesus Chri

Who killed Christ?

"Which begs the question(s):

Who sold Joseph into Egypt?:
20 And as for you, ye meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive. Gen 50

Who moved David?:
And again the anger of Jehovah was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them, saying, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 Sam 24:1
And Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. 1 Chron 21:1

Who enticed Ahab?:
20 And Jehovah said, Who shall entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner; and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before Jehovah, and said, I will entice him.
22 And Jehovah said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt entice him, and shalt prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, Jehovah hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets; and Jehovah hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Ki 22

Who afflicted Job?:
11 But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will renounce thee to thy face.
12 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thy hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of Jehovah. Job 1
5 But put forth thy hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will renounce thee to thy face.
6 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thy hand; only spare his life. Job 2

Who tempted Christ?:
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil Mt 4 [Mark 1:12]

Who sifted Peter?:
31 Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you, that he might sift you as wheat: Lu 22

Who buffeted Paul?:
7 And by reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, that I should not be exalted overmuch, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, that I should not be exalted overmuch. 2 Cor 12

Who killed Christ?:
10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even in him doth this man stand here before you whole.
26 The kings of the earth set themselves in array, And the rulers were gathered together, Against the Lord, and against his Anointed:
27 for of a truth in this city against thy holy Servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together,
28 to do whatsoever thy hand and thy council foreordained to come to pass. Acts 4"

 

[Scarlett O.]

The Romans killed Christ.

The Pharisees wanted him dead for quite a while and orchestrated it.

God made Christ "sin for us" and it was his will that Jesus die.

Christ laid his own life down.

We killed Christ.

Let's all understand that the death of Christ involved us all. Romans, Jewish Pharisees, God, Christ Himself, and you and I.

 

[kyredneck]

The Romans killed Christ.

The Pharisees wanted him dead for quite a while and orchestrated it.

God made Christ "sin for us" and it was his will that Jesus die.

Christ laid his own life down.

We killed Christ.

Let's all understand that the death of Christ involved us all. Romans, Jewish Pharisees, God, Christ Himself, and you and I.

You edited my response to @Martin Marprelate, so it's clear you're not going to allow this discussion to take it's natural course, so I bow out.

And no, I did not kill Christ. That was arranged long before I ever came to be.

 

[Scarlett O.]

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