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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by J.D., May 12, 2008.

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  1. J.D.

    J.D. Active Member
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    This person sounds like an Arminian when he says this:

    But he sounds like a Calvinist when he says this about the same verse:

    Just for fun, can you identify 1) who wrote it, 2) where he wrote it, 3) what Bible verse he was commenting on, and 4) what he is saying, in your own words.

    I don't gamble but if I did I would put $20 on Rippon to solve this riddle first.
     
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    I know but will allow someone else win :laugh:
     
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    It's TCGreek!! :laugh:
     
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  4. Allan

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    It was Spurgeon when he was speaking on Hebrew 12:15ff
    As for when? I would have to say it was while he was still alive.

    Here is the rest of it:
     
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  5. Jerome

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    Calvin? Hebrews Commentary?

    "In his expositions [John Calvin] is not always what moderns would call Calvinistic; that is to say, where Scripture maintains the doctrine of predestination and grace he flinches in no degree, but inasmuch as some Scriptures bear the impress of human free action and responsibility, he does not shun to expound their meaning in all fairness and integrity. He was no trimmer and primer of texts."
    ---Charles Spurgeon
     
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  6. Allan

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    Ya know, your right!

    The weblink I saw concerning it stated it was Spurgeon but when I went to Calvin's Commentaries on Hebrews that was it. And it was the only site I could find that stated the beginning ten words exactly. (wonder why Calvin's commentary didn't show up?)

    Good Job! :thumbs:
     
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  7. J.D.

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    Congrats to Jerome and I owe you $5. Rippon where are you? How did you miss this one?

    The first part of Calvin's comments can be easily miscontrued to mean that someone might "lose their salvation", but that's not at all what he is saying. "Falling from grace" is a temporary state in Calvin's theology - the regenerate elect do not completely fall but they are restored and persevere. Which is what the second paragraph basically says - the exhortations to perseverence are effectual in the regenerate elect.

    I just thought that some folks might be suprised with Calvins words "it is easy to fall from grace".
     
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  8. Rippon

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    Sorry J.D., I've been vocalizing with real singers.
     
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  9. Allan

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    They would have been if that were all he'd have said.
     
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