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Why do the lost go to Hell?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Guido, Mar 24, 2022.

  1. Guido

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    Do the lost go to Hell because they are sinners or because they are not one of the elect? If it is both, then they go to hell, not only because they are sinners, but because, for the glory of this god of John Calvin, he wanted them to scream in agony forever, because that glorifies him, and he is pleased to pour out his wrath on them, who has rejected then, not only because they are sinners, but because he simply doesn't love them, even though he loves other sinners who are just as bad.
     
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    People go to hell because they have rebelled against and have rejected God who loves all.

    People go to heaven because God has chosen some and intervened in their lives by God Holy Spirit, convicting them of the truth of their sinful condition, that they are under the wrath of God, and their need for a Savior. God draws those He has chosen into a right relationship with Himself to which they respond to His intervention with faith in Jesus and are clothed in His righteousness.

    God takes no joy in the punishment of those who have rejected Him, but He is glorified when He brings His elect to salvation according to His grace, and when He acts righteously in punishing the wicked.

    This view of God is clearly taught repeatedly in scripture. There is only one God, not a “god” of Calvinists, or Arminians or any other person.

    peace to you
     
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    Do you plan on making a career of misrepresenting both the beliefs of other people and the teaching of the Bible?

    Why does GOD say people go to hell?
    (It appears in the famous Chapter 3 in the Gospel of John … I know you have read THAT chapter.)
     
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    He who believes is not condemned

    He who does not believe is CONDEMNED ALREADY because they have not believed.

    Thats why people will go to hell. Abraham believed, So this is true for OT as well as NT.
     
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    God renders to every man, elect and non-elect, according to their works:

    5 but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
    6 who will render to every man according to his works:
    7 to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:
    8 but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation,
    9 tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek;
    10 but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:
    11 for there is no respect of persons with God.
    12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
    13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
    14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
    15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);
    16 in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men, according to my gospel, by Jesus Christ. Ro 2
     
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    Galatians 5:19-21, ". . . Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. . . ."
    Revelation 21:8, ". . . But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. . . ."
    John 3:18, ". . . He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. . . ."
    Revelation 20:15, ". . . And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. . . ."
    Revelation 3:5, ". . . He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, . . ."
    1 John 5:4-5, ,". . . For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? . . ."
     
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    You have a hatred for the biblical God. You mock and hate the justice of God.
     
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    ...don't hold back Icon, say what you're really thinking...:)
     
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    John 3:14–21 “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
     
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    Both.
    They go to Hell because that is what He has reserved for those who hate Him and refuse to obey His commands out of a dead heart and mind,
    while He has reserved an inheritance for those who love Him and obey Him out of a changed heart;

    A heart and mind that He has mercifully granted repentance and life to.

    The opposite can be said for those who go to be with the Lord...
    They do so because they are unworthy sinners made righteous by the blood of His Son,
    and because they are His elect, chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world.

    John Calvin ( and what he may have said or taught ) has absolutely nothing to do with it.
     
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