Why?!?!?!?! If he knew we would choose wrong

[percho]

God wants humankind to reign with Him. (Genesis 1:26-29; Revelation 22:5) It is what we have been created to do.

In order to have personhood and to reign (exercise authority), one has to have a will (the power of creative action). In exercising that will, we have the ability to rebel against the authority of God (sin).

Your question overemphasizes something - you characterize God's creation of humankind as a failure. It is not a failure, it is becoming, and will become, a magnificent success! Sure, humankind has sinned against God and each other - and that is truly a horrible and destructive thing - but God can handle it. God is redeeming all of the evil that humankind has done through Jesus. Of course, only though who enter into the Kingdom (Reign) of God will be sustained eternally (have eternal life) and the rest will perish (John 3:16).

There is coming a day when all of humankind will have gone through the refiner's fire and will be free moral agents who have permanently and intentionally committed themselves to the reign of God and will reign with Him forever. Those who reject God's offer will have already perished. Justice will reign and evil will simply not exist for all of those who commit evil will be consumed in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8).

Great response.

I agree. Consider:

But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. Heb 2:6-8

However:

But now we see not yet all things put under him. V8

What man? The man in the image of whom?

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1 Cor 15:45,46

Man in the image or the first man Adam, or in the image of the resurrected last Adam, assuming, "afterward," is speaking of the resurrection of Christ the only man born of woman to have died and resurrected to die no more.

To rule as Baptist Believer spoke of would one must need to be, born as the first man Adam and also must need to be born again in the image of the resurrected Christ?

The kingdom of God?

 

[percho]

Is the, "hope," of Romans 8:20 the same, "hope," spoken of in 8:24-25 and is not this hope which is yet to come the, "redemption of the body," of verse 23 which is also yet to come, therefore would not the, "redemption of the body," not be the, "afterward," of 1 Cor. 15:46? afterward that which is spiritual.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. John 3:6

The body that is born of the flesh is flesh and the body that is born of the spirit is spirit. The redemption of the body?

 

[Baptist Believer]

What man? The man in the image of whom?

Humankind was created in the image of God.

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1 Cor 15:45,46

Man in the image or the first man Adam, or in the image of the resurrected last Adam, assuming, "afterward," is speaking of the resurrection of Christ the only man born of woman to have died and resurrected to die no more.

Yes.

To rule as Baptist Believer spoke of would one must need to be, born as the first man Adam and also must need to be born again in the image of the resurrected Christ?

We must be born of both Adam's lineage and through Christ. We do not yet have our resurrection body, but we are learning to reign (as we are being transformed in character), empowered by the Spirit to do what cannot be done by means of our body,

The kingdom of God?

The rule of God. We are both to pray and to work for the will (the reign) of God to be done on earth as it is in heaven. It is not a political movement, but a work of God that we are called to enter.

The message of John the Baptist, of Jesus, and of the early church is the Kingdom of God (the reign of God). It is the explicit theme of the New Testament (if you are paying attention to the teachings of Jesus) and it is the implicit teaching of the Old Testament.

 

[Baptist Believer]

There are some theologies that claim that the Kingdom of God was rejected and the Jews crucified Jesus, postponing the Kingdom of God for the millennium. My formative theological years were spent with a Ryrie Study Bible that presented this view in headers and outlines in the back of the Bible.

However, that position simply can't be supported biblically:

Here are the explicit references to the Kingdom of God in the book of Acts:

Jesus (after His resurrection) is teaching about the kingdom (Acts 1:3)

Philip is teaching the kingdom (Acts 8:12)

Paul and Barnabas are teaching the kingdom (Acts 14:22)

Paul is teaching about the kingdom of God on his own (Acts 19:8 and Acts 28:23)

If you aren't teaching about the Kingdom of God as a present reality that will be completed at the return of Christ, then you are missing the main theme of the New Testament.

 

[Iconoclast]

There are some theologies that claim that the Kingdom of God was rejected and the Jews crucified Jesus, postponing the Kingdom of God for the millennium. My formative theological years were spent with a Ryrie Study Bible that presented this view in headers and outlines in the back of the Bible.

However, that position simply can't be supported biblically:

Here are the explicit references to the Kingdom of God in the book of Acts:

Jesus (after His resurrection) is teaching about the kingdom (Acts 1:3)

Philip is teaching the kingdom (Acts 8:12)

Paul and Barnabas are teaching the kingdom (Acts 14:22)

Paul is teaching about the kingdom of God on his own (Acts 19:8 and Acts 28:23)

If you aren't teaching about the Kingdom of God as a present reality that will be completed at the return of Christ, then you are missing the main theme of the New Testament.

Exactly...most followed the same path but the Apostles stressed the Kingdom growth as happening now:thumbsup::wavey::thumbsup:

 

[percho]

There are some theologies that claim that the Kingdom of God was rejected and the Jews crucified Jesus, postponing the Kingdom of God for the millennium. My formative theological years were spent with a Ryrie Study Bible that presented this view in headers and outlines in the back of the Bible.

However, that position simply can't be supported biblically:

Here are the explicit references to the Kingdom of God in the book of Acts:

Jesus (after His resurrection) is teaching about the kingdom (Acts 1:3)

Philip is teaching the kingdom (Acts 8:12)

Paul and Barnabas are teaching the kingdom (Acts 14:22)

Paul is teaching about the kingdom of God on his own (Acts 19:8 and Acts 28:23)

If you aren't teaching about the Kingdom of God as a present reality that will be completed at the return of Christ, then you are missing the main theme of the New Testament.

I was speaking of when one actually inherits the kingdom of God as spoken of here: Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Cor 15:50

I assume that corruption spoken of there is our present corruptible bodily state. I assume that is what must be changed if alive unto the coming of the Lord.

 

[percho]

Mat 25:34
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

1Co 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Co 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1Co 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Gal 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


The five verses where, "inherit the kingdom," appears in the KJV.

Speaking of the Son, Jesus, the Christ, brought forth by the virgin Mary this is stated:

God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; Heb 1:1,2 NKJV --- and---
and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. Rom 8:17

Did/Has the heir of God, the Son, the Christ, brought forth by the virgin Mary
inherited the kingdom of God? If, yes; When?

Did he need to be changed in order to inherit the kingdom of God?

 

[percho]

To answer your second question.

Why does He allow the horrible thing that happen, to happen?!!

The answer is the same.

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;

In hope. ----- Hope is inclusive of many things which all come about at the same moment. From that passage in Romans 8 as why God allows horrible things to happen.

For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. V22
because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. V21

When?

For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. V19

When is this revealing as sons of God? Of being, "born again," to enter the kingdom of God?

NKJV Luke 20:36 “nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

"In hope," is, the resurrection, the redemption of the body, to enter the kingdom of God as sons of God.

 

[percho]

Question for all.

Heb 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

Is the world to come, the kingdom of God?

Consider: Who are the, "we," of whereof we speak, concerning the world to come. Are they not the, "us," who received the whereof we speak from the disciples, who heard from the Lord, who was the first to speak of the world to come, which appears to be great salvation?

Let's see what one of the disciples, who heard from the Lord and from whom the we/us received their information, had to say, concerning the world to come.

Acts 10:34,35 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Beginning in verse 36 & 37
The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all: ) That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

What was this word sent from God first spoken by Jesus the Lord, that begin in Galilee after the baptism which John preached?

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Mark 1:14,15

The Lord, to Peter, to the us, speaking about, "the world to come".

Immediately followed by, what is man. Man who begin with the creation of, the created in the image of God, man Adam; Yet at the very moment of his creation was not fit for the world to come, the kingdom of God. Even at the moment of his creation, he had need of, the redemption of the body. The Lamb was already determined slain and he had not yet been born of woman.

 

[percho]

Exactly...most followed the same path but the Apostles stressed the Kingdom growth as happening now:thumbsup::wavey::thumbsup:

He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

Delivered unto them the Holy Spirit, thereby,

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

At his return, rule with him in the kingdom of God.

And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

 

[beameup]

Everything is to demonstrate God's attributes of Love, Kindness, Humility;
and it has to be done in a way that doesn't violate his Divine Attributes.