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why people hate the IRS
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I've seen the IRS wipe out a widow lady and leave her desitute. She showed me a letter from the IRS stating that her tax situation was cleared up. But, the IRS supervisor said the letter was a mistake and they cleaned her out. Now she has another letter stating that she now is free and clear now that he car is gone and her bank account cleaned out. Talk about a bunch of heartless jerks.
More proof that a flat tax is the only way to go. How do you make? Take X% and send it in. No matter your income level.
I also believe that nobody making under $20,000 a year should have to pay taxes. Period.
The whole thing is sickening. Our country is so far away from what the founders' intended...pretty sad.
I also believe that nobody making under $20,000 a year should have to pay taxes. Period.
The whole thing is sickening. Our country is so far away from what the founders' intended...pretty sad.
# 1 The Electronic tax is the best - much better than the flat tax.
# 2 Everyone - individual and organizations (businesses, charities, ect) - should all pay taxes. PERIOD.
# 3 I do agree, the whole thing is sickening - we (the govt) are spending way too much. We must cut many programs.
windcatcher
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May the judgements of God come against this agency and any other such agency that targets the poor, the homeless, and the fatherless! There aught to be requirements for reimbursement for a person's expenses when false charges results in defense or expert consultants..... with punishment penaltys added to such agency's expenses.
GWB and BHO and congress will bailout and revitalize the losses of the rich.... but nothing is there to encourage the poor.... unless it is to encourage them to greater poverty....
May God have mercy on all of us who have allowed such things to develop without watching and realizing what's been happening around us until it advanced to the point that it is now either too late or almost too late!
GWB and BHO and congress will bailout and revitalize the losses of the rich.... but nothing is there to encourage the poor.... unless it is to encourage them to greater poverty....
May God have mercy on all of us who have allowed such things to develop without watching and realizing what's been happening around us until it advanced to the point that it is now either too late or almost too late!
mcdirector
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That story made my dislike for the IRS intensify.
How pathetic.
How pathetic.
Would the responses to this article and the actions taken by the IRS be different if it were learned that this person did significantly under report her income as they originally suspected?
After all she does work in a cash business where a large portion of one's income is in the form of cash tips.
Should she be able to declare her children as dependents if her parents are the ones actually providing for the majority of their needs?
After all she does work in a cash business where a large portion of one's income is in the form of cash tips.
Should she be able to declare her children as dependents if her parents are the ones actually providing for the majority of their needs?
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windcatcher
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The poor do pay taxes.... but maybe most don't recognize it. Unless it is prescribed.... they pay taxes on OTC medicines. They pay fuel taxes for gas. If they own anything .... they pay property taxes on real property and in some states, on personal property..... on purchases, household items, clothing. They pay the unseen taxes which are passed on to them in the cost of public transportation and rents.
They have less discresionary income left after covering food, clothing, shelter .......and they absorb the flack from others who don't understand why they don't have the money for child care so their time is more flexible for work opportunities ......for going to school in hopes of getting a better job ......and others resent it and judge them if, instead of getting their children toys.... they buy one large 'family item' like a computer or game station.... or the fine stuff that they sport are the benevolent giving of others at times like Christmas...... why do the poor owe anyone else an explanation..... when ocassionally they get something nice..... why do we resent it and get suspicious or self righteous about their budget, or measure their worthyness when some struggle to put their best foot forward?
May God have mercy on us all!
May God have mercy on us all!
That is one problem with the current tax system. There are many hidden taxes as well.
When done properly - the e-tax would replace ALL other taxes.
On the other hand, is it right to tax the rich some 60% of their income?
But as far as the lady in the OP, I would be interested in hearing all three sides of the story. Granted, the IRS has too much power and too little oversight - but each case must stand on its own.
Salty
When done properly - the e-tax would replace ALL other taxes.
On the other hand, is it right to tax the rich some 60% of their income?
But as far as the lady in the OP, I would be interested in hearing all three sides of the story. Granted, the IRS has too much power and too little oversight - but each case must stand on its own.
Salty
>Should she be able to declare her children as dependents if her parents are the ones actually providing for the majority of their needs?
OK, then the IRS should have had them all file amended returns with the parents claiming the deductions.
Just happenstance that the IRS claimed that 13K was owed? Under $10K and the mother could have filed in IRS small claims court. The action against he would be suspended, no lawyer would be needed, and she could have presented her case directly to an IRS lawyer. Been there, done that. Very interesting.
OK, then the IRS should have had them all file amended returns with the parents claiming the deductions.
Just happenstance that the IRS claimed that 13K was owed? Under $10K and the mother could have filed in IRS small claims court. The action against he would be suspended, no lawyer would be needed, and she could have presented her case directly to an IRS lawyer. Been there, done that. Very interesting.
Do we know that this was not the case?
And that this woman and her parents were not simply stubborn and refused to do so?
Is it possible that her parents already were not paying any tax on their return and so it would have been of no additional benefit to them to declare the kids as their dependents?
That depends on your local small claims court - here the limit is more like $2,000 - you are making too many broad stroke assumptions.
I was in private practice for over 20 years as a CPA and dealt with the IRS many many times on behalf of my clients. Not once was it ever necessary to go to any court.
If one behaves like a rational and polite person the IRS can be very reasonable to work with - without simply giving in to their position on a particular tax issue.
Some seem to be forgetting that it is Congress that writes the tax laws. The IRS is merely their collection and enforcement agency.
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saturneptune
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Very good post. In a sense, we are all responsible in a way for this situation. This is a byproduct of we the people that keep electing the thieves and thugs of the Democratic and Republican parties back into power on alternatiing schedules. They steal from us daily and we still keep reelecting the slobs.
Guess what, next year we are going to be furious at Obama and the Congress by election time, so what will we do? We will put back into power the same godless politicians we just kicked out in 06 and 08. We never learn. Our vision is limited to the two godless choices we have been presented with, and take the bait every time.
saturneptune
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Yes, and it is possible there are green Martians with pink polka dots.
There is enough information in the news article to bring out the true character of the IRS.
Whoop-tee-do and baloney. Just because you had no problems as a middle man to the IRS does not in any fashion give them a reasonable demeanor. I just retired from the government after 36 years in various agencies, and have seen this happen too many times. The IRS is ruthless, and is a reflection of the people that wrote the laws that support them, thugs. This article is very typical, and rings much more true than 20 years of playing kumbaya with the IRS.
And you seem to be forgetting that those who write the laws get their power from we the people, including the family in the article. They work for us.
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Yes, the congress enacts the laws and the IRS enforces them. However, if I am not mistaken, it is the IRS who enacts the fees and penalties and interprets the law (which is nebulous at best and I believed designed to be that way.) One shouldn't have to hire an enrolled agent to represent them. The tax law should be simple enough for anyone (of reasonable intelligence) to understand.
Obviously, this woman and her family was treated very badly, but my experience has been just the opposite.
I've had to deal with the IRS at their Wilmington, De and Annapolis, Md offices several times.
Each time, they've been friendly and courteous and have shown me how to save money and pointed out where I was owed money that I didn't realize.
I've had to deal with the IRS at their Wilmington, De and Annapolis, Md offices several times.
Each time, they've been friendly and courteous and have shown me how to save money and pointed out where I was owed money that I didn't realize.
saturneptune
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I agree 100%. If one thinks about it, how ridiculous is it to hire someone to allow you to give away the money you earned to an entity that is either going to steal or squander it. It will be spent on anything but serving the American people.
The OP excepted, people most often hate the IRS because it reminds people of their responsibilities. No one likes paying taxes, and we look for every reason or excuse not to. It's easier to paint a mental picture of the IRS being evil than it is to be responsible and pay what we owe.
saturneptune
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That is a total mischaracterization of the average American taxpayer. Your post is the exception, those who want to deceive, or avoid responsibility. It is easier to paint a picture of an honest taxpayer paying his or her fair share, than it is to imagine the IRS being a reasonable, level headed agency.
For the few who do choose to break the laws, there are penalties. If the IRS has the evidence, arrest the person and use the courts. Tactics of this type are not in the realm of justice. It says they do not have the evidence, so they turn to intimidation and being the thugs that they are.
saturneptune
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The answer is just like above. If they have evidence she broke the law, then arrest her and use the courts. If not, leave her alone. These kind of tactics point to the true character of the agency. Why is it you are so quick to side with an agency that is part of a corrupt and inept government that has thrown out the Constitution, and so slow to give an American citizen, where the power to govern originates, the benefit of the doubt?
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