Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

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"More than anything else, these developments may signal the fact that those who, on biblical grounds, are led by conscience to reject same-sex marriage, really will be exposed as a moral minority," the Rev. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and a staunch defender of traditional definition of marriage, told TIME recently. "If so, it will expose a great divide over the authority of the Bible among many Christian churches and denominations — perhaps in a way exceeding any other issue."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1893955,00.html?xid=rss-fullnation-yahoo

 

[Palatka51]

It will seperate the wheat from the tares.

 

[Trotter]

It will seperate the wheat from the tares.

Amen and amen! I want no part of a church that would condone such an abomination.

 

[Palatka51]

Amen and amen! I want no part of a church that would condone such an abomination.

We are about to enter His harvest. The fields are getting ripe and the wheat is bowing it's head. The tare will stand tall in it's pride and will be gathered to be burned. The wheat will be gathered into the barns.

Look up Church here comes the scythe.

 

[Joseph M. Smith]

I don't know about rivalry among churches, but I can see couples seeking same-sex marriage demanding that ministers perform such marriages as a right, just as some clearly unready or unqualified opposite-sex couples do. There is an attitude something like, "This is what you do, you have to marry us." I learned long ago from a Lutheran colleague, who used to say to such couples, "Ministers are not a public utility, always at your service."

Law or no law, I know that I will not be presiding over any same-sex marriages.

 

[StefanM]

I think that it is easy to conflate the political and religious issues here. One can support (or at least not actively oppose) same-sex marriage politically without endorsing it personally.

Whether or not a same-sex couple can enter into a legal contract in the eyes of the state is not necessarily applicable to the question of ecclesiastical endorsement.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I think that it is easy to conflate the political and religious issues here. One can support (or at least not actively oppose) same-sex marriage politically without endorsing it personally.

Whether or not a same-sex couple can enter into a legal contract in the eyes of the state is not necessarily applicable to the question of ecclesiastical endorsement.

Exactly. Brother Joseph's concern above will not be an issue. Nowhere will state recognition of marriage contracts be imposed upon clergy or any church.

 

[historyb]

Don't kid yourself, they ill try to impose it on all.

 

[LeBuick]

It will seperate the wheat from the tares.

Well said Brother, it will show us the wolves in sheep clothing.

The Church can't be split or can't war against itself on gay marriage. This is because God has only one position. God is not on both sides of this discussion. Those on God's side will be on the Godly side of the discussion.

 

[LeBuick]

I don't know about rivalry among churches, but I can see couples seeking same-sex marriage demanding that ministers perform such marriages as a right, just as some clearly unready or unqualified opposite-sex couples do. There is an attitude something like, "This is what you do, you have to marry us." I learned long ago from a Lutheran colleague, who used to say to such couples, "Ministers are not a public utility, always at your service."

Law or no law, I know that I will not be presiding over any same-sex marriages.

Tis better to spend all my worldly time in prison than to be a willing participant to sin. When the Church allows or contributes to sin, it says it condone the sin. At that time it is no longer God's Church since man's values rule.

 

[LeBuick]

I think that it is easy to conflate the political and religious issues here. One can support (or at least not actively oppose) same-sex marriage politically without endorsing it personally.

Whether or not a same-sex couple can enter into a legal contract in the eyes of the state is not necessarily applicable to the question of ecclesiastical endorsement.

Very well said. However, where was the Church in Sodom? Where was the Church in the days of Noah? Hasn't God always had a spokesman like Noah, Lot or John the Baptist crying in the wilderness for man to repent?

 

[historyb]

Don't kid yourself, they ill try to impose it on all.

That should be they will impose, not they ill

 

[BigBossman]

My problem is society has made homosexuals out to be a minority group. I don't even classify them as a minority. Minorities are black, Jewish, Hispanic, Asian, or Native American. You can't put homosexuals in the category of minorities because they choose to live that way.

The government can make homosexual marriage legal. They might be able get married in a court house. That doesn't mean they should have the right to get married in the church house. The government can't tell a church or a minister in that church that he has to marry a couple. I have to agree with Joseph M. Smith that ministers are not a tool that can be used by everyone.

 

[blackbird]

Very well said. However, where was the Church in Sodom? Where was the Church in the days of Noah? Hasn't God always had a spokesman like Noah, Lot or John the Baptist crying in the wilderness for man to repent?

In the days of Noah------the Church was not present---I believe it existed in the mind of the preincarnate Christ at the time---but it was not present on Earth in Noah's day--------however----the preaching of the day of Judgment was there---the gospel was presented through the preaching of Noah---that "Preacher of righteousness"------but that for the saving of 8 souls---the rest perished

Same way with Lot

Same way with John the Baptist

The church's mission----like Noah's---like Lot's----like John the baptist------is to call sinners to repentance

 

[windcatcher]

As long as the church is lead by the word of God, there'll be no division. No division= strength. "And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

The society may cave but there's no excuse for the Church or its shepherds to do so.

 

[StefanM]

Very well said. However, where was the Church in Sodom? Where was the Church in the days of Noah? Hasn't God always had a spokesman like Noah, Lot or John the Baptist crying in the wilderness for man to repent?

The point of "crying out" isn't over gay marriage. A legal contract will not increase the incidence of homosexuality one bit. It's not like otherwise straight men will come rushing to marry each other if gay marriage is legalized.

 

[Revmitchell]

Those who are not willing to live dual lives will never accept it politically nor religiously. To carry a political stance contrary to God's word is to live a dual and hypocritical life.

 

[canadyjd]

The government can't tell a church or a minister in that church that he has to marry a couple.

Unless the church is incorporated, making it a corporation of the state...and subject to other state laws for corporations...and then the state passes laws against discrimination and hate speech on the basis of se*ual orientation...and churches are not exempt.

Yes, I can imagine there might be a lawyer willing to bring a lawsuit in the matter. I suspect they already have the paperwork ready.

peace to youraying:

 

[Palatka51]

Those who are not willing to live dual lives will never accept it politically nor religiously. To carry a political stance contrary to God's word is to live a dual and hypocritical life.

Amen, brother, amen!!!

 

[canadyjd]

The point of "crying out" isn't over gay marriage. A legal contract will not increase the incidence of homosexuality one bit. It's not like otherwise straight men will come rushing to marry each other if gay marriage is legalized.

I hope you don't believe the g*y rights advocates will be happy with a live and let live arraignment?

This has always been about the forced acceptance of their "lifestyle" as being just as legitimate as a Christian's life.

Anybody who disagrees will be beaten down and destroyed if possible.

peace to youraying: