BillyBayou613
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Since they will be here just before the end, will we know they are the ones?
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Will we see and know the witnesses?
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Hey, Billy!!
Well,.....I am not a Bible scholar nor an expert on end times, but I don't think that I am going to be here when the two witnesses are here, martyred, and are raised from the dead by God.
In fact, I can definitively say that I know that I am not going to be here.
Not all Christians believe the same thing about the end times and how God is going to wrap things up, but here is what I believe.
End events will be in this order.
1. Rapture of the church
2. Tribulation (Two witnesses are here)
3. Second coming of Christ
4. 1000 year reign of Christ on earth
5. Eternal heavenly reign of God.
The rapture is when all christians, both alive and dead, are "rescued" from this old world by Jesus Christ.
The rapture will be:
1. secretive or "unknown" to unbelievers
2. at ANY time, that is, NOT dependent on any prophetical events
3. a taking away of believers to be with Christ
4. before the Great Tribulation
The Second Coming of Jesus Christ is when the battle of Armegedon will occur and Jesus, Himself, returning to earth with his "saints", will victoriously win the battle before it scarcely begins.
The Second Coming will be:
1. known to all mankind whether they be believers or not
2. dependent on certain prophetical events (the third Temple, the Witnesses, the appearance of the antichrist....)
3. a return of the bride of Christ with Him for Christ's judgement of the earth
4. after the Great Tribulation
Again, there are MANY christians who will disagree with me and that is their privilege.
But as for the Two Witnesses, I do not believe that I will be here to see them in action. Many Christians believe that they will be Moses and Elijah, but as for recognizing them, for me the question is moot.
Welcome to the BB!!
Peace-
Scarlett O.
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Well,.....I am not a Bible scholar nor an expert on end times, but I don't think that I am going to be here when the two witnesses are here, martyred, and are raised from the dead by God.
In fact, I can definitively say that I know that I am not going to be here.
Not all Christians believe the same thing about the end times and how God is going to wrap things up, but here is what I believe.
End events will be in this order.
1. Rapture of the church
2. Tribulation (Two witnesses are here)
3. Second coming of Christ
4. 1000 year reign of Christ on earth
5. Eternal heavenly reign of God.
The rapture is when all christians, both alive and dead, are "rescued" from this old world by Jesus Christ.
The rapture will be:
1. secretive or "unknown" to unbelievers
2. at ANY time, that is, NOT dependent on any prophetical events
3. a taking away of believers to be with Christ
4. before the Great Tribulation
The Second Coming of Jesus Christ is when the battle of Armegedon will occur and Jesus, Himself, returning to earth with his "saints", will victoriously win the battle before it scarcely begins.
The Second Coming will be:
1. known to all mankind whether they be believers or not
2. dependent on certain prophetical events (the third Temple, the Witnesses, the appearance of the antichrist....)
3. a return of the bride of Christ with Him for Christ's judgement of the earth
4. after the Great Tribulation
Again, there are MANY christians who will disagree with me and that is their privilege.
But as for the Two Witnesses, I do not believe that I will be here to see them in action. Many Christians believe that they will be Moses and Elijah, but as for recognizing them, for me the question is moot.
Welcome to the BB!!
Peace-
Scarlett O.
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I have had discussions about this before with different Christian Brothers.
As I understand it the two witnesses will be here for the last 3 1/2 years before the end.
As a firm believer in the rapture of the church it is my believe that the church will be rapture out before Midway of the 7 year tribulation period.
As I understand it the two witnesses will be here for the last 3 1/2 years before the end.
As a firm believer in the rapture of the church it is my believe that the church will be rapture out before Midway of the 7 year tribulation period.
Tom Butler
New Member
Rev. 11 describes the two witnesses as two olive trees and two lampstands, described elsewhere as symbolic of Israel and the churches. I think it's interesting that each witness is described as two of something.
Tom B.
Tom B.
Tom Butler
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Oh, by the way, dispies will have to come up with another explanation, because otherwise, it puts the the churches right in the middle of the Tribulation, and we can't have that, can we?
Scarlett, please give me the specific, clear verse or passage which describes the pre-trib rapture. Thanks
Tom B
Scarlett, please give me the specific, clear verse or passage which describes the pre-trib rapture. Thanks
Tom B
mountainrun
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It's clear that the church will be here.
Rev 13:7 And it was given to him to make war on the saints and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and language and nation.
{This is at the midpoint.}
The whole world will see the witnesses.
MR
Rev 13:7 And it was given to him to make war on the saints and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and language and nation.
{This is at the midpoint.}
The whole world will see the witnesses.
MR
hillclimber
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No, the church will be gone before this. Scarlett pretty much has it right.
tamborine lady
Active Member
Scarlett said:
The rapture will be:
1. secretive or "unknown" to unbelievers
2. at ANY time, that is, NOT dependent on any prophetical events
3. a taking away of believers to be with Christ
4. before the Great Tribulation
Tam says: I beg to differ. The rapture will not be "secret". Some will be surprised, but it will in now wise be SECRET!! And we will be going through the great trib. Believe it or not!!
1 Thes 5-4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
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Rev 1-7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
I know some of you think that the scriptures above are talking about 2 different events. But Jesus only comes back once.
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1st Cor 15-52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
These scriptures are plainly all referring to the same event!!
So will we see the two witnesses? Yes, a resounding yes!! Will we know who they are? I don't know. We probably will when they show up.
Even so, come Lord Jesus!!
Selah,
Tam
tamborine lady
Active Member
Amen Wopik!! Well done!!
Peace,
Tam
standingfirminChrist
New Member
I am not going to see the two witnesses unless I see them in the air, or in the millenial kingdom.
The church is taken off of the earth before the tribulations Rev. 4:1
The only ones who seem to be affected by the bowls of wrath poured out after the catching away of the saints, are the ones who have not the seal of God. Rev. 7:1- ff
The last trump in 1 Corinthians is the last trump in a different dispensation. It is the last trump before the dispensation of wrath.
The church is taken off of the earth before the tribulations Rev. 4:1
The only ones who seem to be affected by the bowls of wrath poured out after the catching away of the saints, are the ones who have not the seal of God. Rev. 7:1- ff
The last trump in 1 Corinthians is the last trump in a different dispensation. It is the last trump before the dispensation of wrath.
The Bible and the French Revolution
The Two Witnesses "event" of Bible Prophecy has already taken place.
The Two Witnesses are the Old and New Testaments.
READ:
http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/gc/gc15.html
The Two Witnesses "event" of Bible Prophecy has already taken place.
The Two Witnesses are the Old and New Testaments.
READ:
http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/gc/gc15.html
standingfirminChrist
New Member
Ellen G. White's heretical fallacies once again are showing up.
The two witnesses do not show until the wrath of God is being poured out on the earth.
When was the locust with the head of a horse and the sting of a scorpion on this earth? Such an even would surely have been recorded in history books.
When was a third of the grass burned on the earth?
When did a third of all the seas turn to blood and all the ships therein destroyed?
Wake up Claudia...
The two witnesses do not show until the wrath of God is being poured out on the earth.
When was the locust with the head of a horse and the sting of a scorpion on this earth? Such an even would surely have been recorded in history books.
When was a third of the grass burned on the earth?
When did a third of all the seas turn to blood and all the ships therein destroyed?
Wake up Claudia...
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
Tom B
Why would you embarass a lady? You well know that dispensationalism cannot answer your question.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
Speak for yourself. I don't follow a corrupted form of Christianity. I am not a dispensationalist.