Wine on the Lees

[Tom Butler]

In Chowmah's thread on the Rapture, he quotes Isaiah 25. In v. 6, this phrase comes up: "...a feast of wine on the lees."

I Googled it, and basically lees are defined as dead yeast or residual yeast or other particles who wind up at the bottom of the wine vat during the fermentation and aging process. One source noted that ordinarily, the win is transferred to another container, leaving the sediment behind. But some wines remain and are aged for a time to enhance flavor and color.

What seems clear is that all this occurs during the fermentation process.

And Isaiah speaks of this approvingly in connection with a feast.

Any comments from either side of the wine issue?

By the way, I don't use alcohol. Uh, well, maybe a little Nyquil when I have a cold.

An old friend once said, "I don't drink, except when I take a little wine for municipal purposes."

 

[Jerome]

dead yeast or residual yeast or other particles who wind up at the bottom of the wine

That sure rebuts the "wine is yeast-free/unleavened" hogwash that is occasionally advocated here.

 

[annsni]

That sure rebuts the "wine is yeast-free/unleavened" hogwash that is occasionally advocated here.

Well, no - it supports it. Most wine that we purchase today DOES have the yeast removed so it is "yeast-free". Naturally, grape juice has active yeast in it. It's the process of fermentation that still contains the yeast but I don't know many who drink wine while it's fermenting.

 

[Jerome]

From the Grape Crafter Wine Technology Blog:

Either a 0.45 micron or 0.65 micron [filtration pad] will give you a sterile fermentation against whole cells. There may be some autolyzed yeast fragments still in the wine, but this should take out most of them as well.

diatomaceous earth filtration, similar to a swimming pool filter, for clarification, which does not harm the structure of the wine. This would not absolutely remove every yeast, but it will take out over 99.9%, which might be fine.

 

[annsni]

From the Grape Crafter Wine Technology Blog:

Also, realize it is dead yeast which I think makes a difference.

 

[Jerome]

Sure, and leavened bread really counts as unleavened bread because the yeast is dead after being baked. I think that makes a difference:thumbs:

 

[billwald]

Always wanted to try grappa which is supposed to be made out of wine residue. Got a bottle. Tastes like plain old blend whisky to me. Advise don't bother.

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

Jer 48:11 Moab hath been at ease from his youth, and he hath settled on his lees, and hath not been emptied from vessel to vessel, neither hath he gone into captivity: therefore his taste remained in him, and his scent is not changed.

Zep 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.

Jer 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. (and two more like)


Teeth of edge is an interesting picture and it helps to understand some of the wine making process...

Wine is poured from vessel to vessel to get rid of the dregs, which in OT times were known as the lees.

In modern days the bottles are stored neck down so that the dregs will settle were they can be extracted with a minimum loss of wine.

If the dregs, OT Lees, are not drawn off the wine gets a bitter taste that will ste your teeth on edge.

I missed the original post. So, I don;t know that context, there.

But, "we" referred to this when the youth got "restless" because the adults weren't revived. All to often it was the untrained youth that had the vision and the zeal.

Which without direction isn't a good thing.

As I reread Isaiah 25:6 in context I am not sure that *this* wine on the lees is all that good of a thing because it is used in conjuction with God's destruction.

Though, if I am wrong then this is going to be well-fermented wine and a feast that really tastes good...

A really hard concept for a person raised on temperance and moderation...

Looks like yet another... re-study!

 

[Melanie]

It is disgusting......try eating a teaspoon of vegemite......though the vegemite is tastier.