Without the understanding of the general redemption . . . .

[37818]

Without the understanding of the general redemption no one can know Christ paid for one's sins.
1 John 2:2, ". . . And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. . . ."

Romans 1:16, ". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . ."

1 Corinthians 15:1-4, ". . . the gospel . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . "

 

[Alan Gross]

Without the understanding of the general redemption no one can know Christ paid for one's sins.
1 John 2:2, ". . . And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. . . ."

Romans 1:16, ". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . ."

1 Corinthians 15:1-4, ". . . the gospel . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . "

Actually, General Redemption doesn't Assure anyone being Saved, for sure. Jesus Christ could have Performed His Work of Redemption, for nothing.

Easy- believism gets you to the same place.

Nowhere, for sure.

Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, a Limited Atonement, and Irresponsible Grace absolutely Assure that Christ Paid for the sins of those Elect that The Father Gave Him, according to the Good Pleasure of His Will, and that those lost sheep Will Be Saved and Spend Eternity in Heaven to the Glory of The Triune Godhead.

General Redemption "makes" The Triune Godhead a failure in their Eternal Scheme of Salvation, even if one soul goes to Hell.

"Jesus Paid for their soul and it went to Hell".

Nah. Too many inconsistencies and human reasoning and not enough Glory to God and Bible.

The Bible will Teach what it Teaches, if you let it.

King James Bible Isaiah 53:11
"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities."

The passages sited are I Jn; not ours only, the Jews, but also those of the Gentile world, as spoken of and Taught numerous times throughout the New Testament.

The Gospel is the Power of God that Empowers the Holy Spirit to Save, through the Instrumentality of the Word. By His Own Will Begat He us by the Word of Truth.

The Gospel, I Corinthians 15, that He died for OUR SINS, specifically,...not everyone.

 

[Marooncat79]

Can you please define further General Redemption?

 

[37818]

Actually, General Redemption doesn't Assure anyone being Saved, . . .

Without the general redemption no one can know if one is saved.

 

[Dave G]

Without the general redemption no one can know if one is saved.

I can.

John 3:36
John 5:24
Acts of the Apostles 10:43.

 

[37818]

I can.

John 3:36
John 5:24
Acts of the Apostles 10:43.

None of those references disallow the redemption from being a general redemption.

 

[Dave G]

None of those references disallow the redemption from being a general redemption.

I believe that you might be missing the point;
I am stating that a person can know if they are saved outside of believing a "general redemption".

Please read your quote again....
You said:

Without the general redemption no one can know if one is saved.

So...outside of a general redemption, no one can know if they are personally saved?
Did I read that right?

If this is correct, I disagree and tell you that outside of a "general redemption", I can know if I am saved.

The passages I listed are but some of the things that the Lord has said, that promise forgiveness of sins to those that believe.
Since I've believed on His Son, I have everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation ( John 5:24 ).

...I have the forgiveness ( remission ) of my sins ( Acts of the Apostles 10:43 ).

 

[37818]

I believe that you might be missing the point;
I am stating that a person can know if they are saved outside of believing a "general redemption".

Please read your quote again....
You said:

So...outside of a general redemption, no one can know if they are personally saved?
Did I read that right?

If this is correct, I disagree and tell you that outside of a "general redemption", I can know if I am saved.

The passages I listed are but some of the things that the Lord has said, that promise forgiveness of sins to those that believe.
Since I've believed on His Son, I have everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation ( John 5:24 ).

...I have the forgiveness ( remission ) of my sins ( Acts of the Apostles 10:43 ).

Yes, and my point is the evidence is the general redemtion is true. People know before hand Christ died for one's sins, as per Romans 5:8 and 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.

 

[Dave G]

Yes, and my point is the evidence is the general redemtion is true.

In a few verses, in isolation, it does seem to teach that...
But the Scriptures do not teach a "general redemption" and never have.

The Lord Jesus was stricken for the transgressions of His people ( Isaiah 53:8, Matthew 1:21, John 10:11, John 10:15 ).
It was done with a specific group in mind ( His elect ), and a specific purpose in mind...

Their redemption.

People know before hand Christ died for one's sins, as per Romans 5:8 and 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.

God's people know that Christ died for their sins, I agree.

Good evening to you and I wish you well, sir.

 

[Alan Gross]

The "rest" of the lost that were never purchased by the blood of Jesus are well defined Are Some Really Prepared For Destruction?

 

[37818]

In a few verses, in isolation, it does seem to teach that..

Not explicitly. The fact of general redemption is not refuted.

What basis do those who are not yet believers to believe in Christ without the general redemption being true? The only possible answer is the general redemption is true.

 

[Dave G]

What basis do those who are not yet believers to believe in Christ without the general redemption being true?

The word of God.
He promises that those who believe have the forgiveness of sins per Acts of the Apostles 10:43 and many other things that He has stated.

The only possible answer is the general redemption is true.

" in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" ( Ephesians 1:7 ).

According to the above, those who have redemption also have forgiveness of sins...
The two go hand-in-hand.

The Bible teaches that one cannot be redeemed without actually being forgiven, and without those sins having been laid on Christ and Him making actual payment for them in the sight of God.

Since the redemption brings with it the automatic forgiveness of sins towards all those for whom Christ gave himself for,
a "general redemption", which includes the forgiveness of sins as a fact and as an accomplished deed by the Lord Jesus Christ ( not a "potential-waiting-for-someone-to-accept-it" reward for choosing ), then everyone for whom He atoned for is forgiven. ..not "will be".

It was all finished at the cross ( John 19:30 ).

In other words, if a "general redemption" is true, then there are millions in Hell right now whose sins are forgiven, and who are redeemed.
They should not face condemnation at the Judgment and they should not answer for their sins...
Jesus supposedly answered for them and supposedly answers to this day at the right hand of the Father ( Romans 8:34 ).

Yet, it seems that you would have me to believe that He died for everyone, and that their sins are actually paid for...
even though most will spend an eternity in the Lake of Fire being tormented forever in payment for those very sins.

From my perspective, that teaching doesn't seem to bother you;
But it does me, and I see nowhere that it agrees with the Scriptures as a whole.


That said,
I wish you well, sir, and may He bless you in your studies.

 

[37818]

He promises that those who believe have the forgiveness of sins per Acts of the Apostles 10:43 and many other things that He has stated.

And that is commonly understood as a general redemption. Those who believe would need to understand Christ paid for their sins, again meaning a general redemption. Without there is no basis to believe.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Not explicitly. The fact of general redemption is not refuted.

What basis do those who are not yet believers to believe in Christ without the general redemption being true? The only possible answer is the general redemption is true.

No one, SFAIK, has been up to heaven, had a quick look at the Lamb's Book of Life and found his name missing.
The believer's warrant of salvation is that Christ died for sinners. If you are a sinner, that warrant entitles you to come to Christ and He promises not to turn you away (John 6:37). Arminian or Calvinist, it makes no difference, except that John 6:37 also says that it is those given to the Lord Jesus by the Father who come to Him.

 

[Van]

Here is a summary of Particular Reconciliation and General Reconciliation

Particular Reconciliation:
(1) God preselected folks for salvation before creation
(2) Christ came and died for those folks - limited atonement
(3) God gives those folks faith in Christ, then accepts their faith and places them in Christ.

General Reconciliation
(1) God selected Christ to redeem believers before creation. Therefore those chosen and placed in Christ during their lifetime through belief in the truth were corporately chosen as the target group of His redemption plan before the foundation of the world.
(2) Christ came and died for humankind in general but not specifically for each individual.
(3) God chooses folks and places them in Christ after accepting their faith and reckoning it as righteousness.

 

[37818]

Particular Reconciliation is the purpose of General Reconciliation. John 10:11.

 

[37818]

In a few verses, in isolation, it does seem to teach that...
But the Scriptures do not teach a "general redemption" and never have.

The Lord Jesus was stricken for the transgressions of His people ( Isaiah 53:8, Matthew 1:21, John 10:11, John 10:15 ).
It was done with a specific group in mind ( His elect ), and a specific purpose in mind...

Their redemption.

God's people know that Christ died for their sins, I agree.

Good evening to you and I wish you well, sir.

Anyone who comes to faith in Christ as having paid for one's sins had believe in His redemption. The label "general redemption" is not required in order for the redemption to be the general redemption.