Women Pastors

Women Pastors are servents of the devil.

 

Well, we know that people fall along a continuum, so that some are more logical and others are more swayed by emotion. Men are not solely rational creatures, they are not all Vulcans. Some men may be quite emotional indeed and not have a lot of use for logic. There are women who are rather unemotional and quite rational. Wouldn't it make more sense to apply some type of test to measure where a person falls along the continuum if rationality is the only concern? That way we could weed out the men who should not be preaching due to their emotional nature and not needlessly prevent the Vulcan-like women from exercising their logic unencumbered by emotion.

I'm afraid your point of view could be used to prevent women from having any sort of contact with the outside world in the absence of a male guardian. If women are too foolish to be able to determine what is true in spiritual matters without being misled, then the same is going to be true in other matters such as relationships, money handling, and politics. If women can be prevented from preaching due to concerns that their irrational nature might lead them astray and cause them to harm others, then they can be prevented from other practices as well.

 

Claudia.

If women are so deceived and led by emotions, and apt to make mistakes, then maybe they shouldn't be Prophets either.


It takes a lot more dicernment to be a Prophet(you are supposed to be hearing directly from God) than to be a Pastor, so if women can be prophets, then if they won't to, I see nothing wrong with them being Pastors.

And in Joel it does say we can prophecy.

Peace,

Tam

 

well... isn't Teaching and Prophesying different things?

So if women of the bible were allowed to be Prophets or rather judges of Israel...

and not allowed to Teach... obviously there's gotta be difference between the two? right?

or im i off track? haha.

 

It is interesting that Paul gives the same instructions for deacons as if they are all men, yet clearly in 1 Tim 3:8-13 a woman serves as a deaconess (verse 11 should read "women" rather than the KJV "deacon's wives compare this verse with the RV.) Remember Phoebe was a "servant" (Greek diakonos)Romans 16:1.

Some understand this whole passage to be local church specific and not address the "laws" for the whole.

I have seen female pastors in both the Baptist Churches and the ANglican Church, and they perform quite ably.

Cheers,

Jim

 

The bible does not say women are easily deceived, it says Eve was deceived. And anyone is open for deception, not just women. The only valid reason you give for women to not pastor is scripture itself.

 

I took this from beacon churches forum :

It seems to me that there is a legitimate case to make that women should preach (prophesy). In addition in Romans 12 there is June the apostle and Phoebe the deacon. So while it seems to be the exception, there certainly is a time when Paul recognized women in both roles.

Art Jaggard

 

Here is a link to a brochure which explains why my denomination doesn't ordain women as pastors. You will need an Adobe Acrobat Reader:

http://www.lcms.org/graphics/assets/media/LCMS/wa_ordinationofwomen.pdf

Maybe it's me, but it still doesn't sound very convincing. I think it's just male dominance repackaged.

 

That isn't even remotely correct as diakonos in the masculine and diakonas in Rm 16:1 is in the feminine. In addition, guniakas generally means wife. Despite how talented a women is she should never attempt to take an office God never meant for her to fill. A woman taking the office of the pastor would trash the image God intended for a congregation. The congregation is a miniture picture of the church at large who is the bride of Christ. On the congregation the image is maintained with the Pastor who is Christ's representative to the church in local.

 

My interpretation of 1 Tim 3 is not new, and most commentators of old follow the same thinking. Since there were female deacons in other Pauline books, and then the proper Greek translation of the Timothy text including women specifically, there is no scripture banning females from the pulpit, in my opinion and others such as Jamison, Fawcett and Brown, F.F. Bruce et al.

Cheers,

Jim

 

The world has been male oriented for many years, and women are just coming into their own. They kept the home front during the war years, and continued in small measure after the war. God bless them, they are still fighting for their rightful place. I can do no other than to stand with them.

With the female to male ratio in so many churches it was bound to happen. I noticed more women enrolling at the university each year in major theological studies. Where would they go other than into ministry?

Frankly, I think it better to seek another understanding of what Paul was saying in Timothy. Just maybe he was addressing a unique problem in the church at Ephesus....females attempting to prophesy without authority.

A closed mind will never discover truth in its fullness.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Claudia wrote:

It is true that the '12' were all men. Luke 8:1-3 adds to the '12' seven more, all women. So that when you arrive at the post-ressurection church in Acts 1:13-14, the disciples included the 12, the 7, Mary the mother of Jesus and His brothers.

The 12 occupied a special role, no doubt. But so did the 7.

Art Jaggard