Women, Stop Submitting to Men

Annsni,

This is a great list!!!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I would like to add a caution all who read this post in the matter of submission to a spiritual leader. One which the link in the OP actually states.

Specifically, it is not certain that one should be submissive to the pastor outside of the employment.

Husband and wife are a team.

Modern history records there has been more than one church where the pastor, or some spiritual leader, came between the wife and husband.

Some of the most sad stories I ever heard come from the broken hearts of a man and wife when a person of charismatic aura, powerful, well-groomed, confident, "man of god" is looked to as the authority.

Women seem to be highly attracted to that type, and must guard their heart, home, and devotion to their husband. Especially if the husband is of the common labor, or even of limited education.

Husbands must also wisely put up visible and well seen guards to thwart the "silly women" who uses their well practiced cunning to not only attract the attention but to tease the man into all manner of evil.

 

I'll state my take very succinctly:

Women, practice mutual submission with your spouse. Your husband is not any more your authority than you are his.

 

So many do not understand what submission actually means. Only then can we understand how the husband and the wife are conformed to the image of Christ through submission.

 

Those of us who hold to so-called “traditional gender roles” are often assumed to believe that women should submit to men. This isn’t true.

gb93433, "Women's Lib"! It started back in the 1970's.

My wife "submits" to me while I "submit" to her. After all the smoke clears however I'm the one to be held accountable for exercising my responsibilities as the husband/father while she will be held accountable for exercising her responsibilities as the wife and mother.

 

Ann, Ann, Ann. I know you disagree, and that is your own prerogative. I have a lot of respect for you, though, because you show a great deal of solid thought and study in your conclusions. That is great. We can disagree on this issue and, pardon me if I'm cliche, but rejoice in the fact we are brother and sister in Christ. When it comes to essentials of the Christian faith, I'm probably right with you 100%.

The problem with your dogmatism on this subject isn't so much that you disagree, but it's the fact that you set yourself apart from others who are just as committed and scholarly as you and I are. Heck, I grew up in a tradition and family that proclaimed your own position. My particular view on male headship, which I arrived at a number of years ago, lines up with the scholarship of such great theologians and scholars as N.T. Wright, Stanley Grenz, Gordon Fee, William Webb, Gilbert Bilezikian, Greg Boyd, Curtiss Paul DeYoung, Scot McKnight, Roger Olson, Ron Sider, and many, many others. It is a biblical position, an orthodox position, an evangelical position, and a just position.

You can disagree, but please don't make me out to be something I'm not, like a little leprechaun with a Bible in one hand and scissors in the other.

 

Sometimes I get the feeling that some people on this board truly believe that when they post they have established some truth that is set in stone. And it seems some are looking to gain influence in the Christian community by posting their obsessions on the internet.

This is just a forum for personal use. Making false claims of orthodoxy does not make it anymore true on this forum or anywhere on the internet. The theological left has been deluding themselves for years in trying to set them selves up as believable and common.

Throwing terms around like "Evangelical" and "Orthodox" does nothing to create truth. And those who are actually these things feels no need to wip them out like a six shooter in a gun fight. We just are and already know it.

 

Being Irish (but not leprechaun other than my pointy ears ) I have visited with the King and He states this.

Ann is correct in her view of wife submission to husband and to God.


Submission to God is primary:

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

Submission and love to the spouse:

"Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loves his wife loves himself. "

There is nothing to suggest submission to a pastoral authority.

 

Think that we have to realise that though it might sound tough to modern ears...

That the Apostle Paul WAS inpired by God, as was Peter, and BOTh referenced the roles/positions of male to females!

 

we are commanded to obey the example of the trinity themselves in this area!

Within godhead, all 3 are equals, but each takes on subordination roles!

Jesus and HS equal to the father in essense/pershood, but both of the submit to Him as their head, their "Boss!"

 

bottom line is that the man is the head of his wife/household , and that she needs to submit to her husband, but he is commanded to be worthy of that, as to be "like Christ" to how he relates to her!

 

My wife wanted to go to North Carolina to see someone, but I didn't want to go with her. She submitted to her husband and would not allow herself to be emotionally dependent on whether I went as she recognized only Christ not her husband fulfils all her needs.
I on the other hand prayed about it and submitted to God by going willingly and joyously with her to N.C. because the Holy Spirit was giving me yet another opportunity to be conformed to the image of Christ. I did not submit to my wife but to God. The bi-product of my submission resulted in her husband going with her.

Even though both she and I submitted. I was conformed to the image of Christ more than she was.

We are responsible for ourselves. Husband and wife's focus should always be on God and not each other. Even if the husband has never submitted not even once in the entirety of the marriage that is no excuse for the wife to not obey God by ceasing to submit, because he will have to answer God for not obeying.

The point of this exercise is to be conformed to the image and likeness of Jesus Christ. Is there anything more important?