Would BOTH cals/Arms See 2 Cor 5:19 In Same Light?

[DaChaser1]

2 Corinthians 5:19
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

 

[AresMan]

2 Corinthians 5:19
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Probably not.
Most cals would say world is general for Jews and Gentiles (the elect). To be "reconciled" to God necessarily implies actual salvation (v.20).

Some arms actually say that world means every single human being, and that the Cross actually "reconciled" everyone to God. This "reconciliation" is that Jesus died for the sins of every person, thus satisfying this "debt" to God. However, the only sin now that can condemn anyone is "unbelief."

 

[Greektim]

Probably not.
Most cals would say world is general for Jews and Gentiles (the elect). To be "reconciled" to God necessarily implies actual salvation (v.20).

Some arms actually say that world means every single human being, and that the Cross actually "reconciled" everyone to God. This "reconciliation" is that Jesus died for the sins of every person, thus satisfying this "debt" to God. However, the only sin now that can condemn anyone is "unbelief."

I would argue similar yet distinct about the meaning of "world" in Paul and John. Both were well acquainted the OT and its missional concept of God blessing the "nations" (cf. Gal. 3:8 & Gen. 12:3). Therefore, "world" is likely simply and extension of the OT meaning of God's mission for the world (i.e. the nations).

And so in that sense, God is reconciling from all the nations.

 

[kyredneck]

.... However, the only sin now that can condemn anyone is "unbelief."

So Christ paid for all sins with the exception of unbelief?

 

[DaChaser1]

So Christ paid for all sins with the exception of unbelief?

Jesus death atoned for , paid the owed/due price for ALL sins of those who would be saved!

As sin in gerneral seperates us from God, NOT just rejection of Christ, that particular sin would seal one off from saving grace of God!

 

[DaChaser1]

I would argue similar yet distinct about the meaning of "world" in Paul and John. Both were well acquainted the OT and its missional concept of God blessing the "nations" (cf. Gal. 3:8 & Gen. 12:3). Therefore, "world" is likely simply and extension of the OT meaning of God's mission for the world (i.e. the nations).

And so in that sense, God is reconciling from all the nations.

Could it be in a general sense, as in All Creation per paul, and specific sense, into whosoever comes to Christ?

 

[Tom Butler]

Does anybody really want to define "world" in that verse as every person without exception? I doubt it, since I doubt if there's a universalist on this board.

So, here is world meaning something less than everybody. So Christ's death reconciled with God something less than everybody. It's either all or less than all.

If one holds that Christ's death reconciles God with those who believe, then well and good. That's still less than everybody.

 

[quantumfaith]

I would argue similar yet distinct about the meaning of "world" in Paul and John. Both were well acquainted the OT and its missional concept of God blessing the "nations" (cf. Gal. 3:8 & Gen. 12:3). Therefore, "world" is likely simply and extension of the OT meaning of God's mission for the world (i.e. the nations).

And so in that sense, God is reconciling from all the nations.

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[quantumfaith]

Does anybody really want to define "world" in that verse as every person without exception? I doubt it, since I doubt if there's a universalist on this board.

So, here is world meaning something less than everybody. So Christ's death reconciled with God something less than everybody. It's either all or less than all.

If one holds that Christ's death reconciles God with those who believe, then well and good. That's still less than everybody.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: