Would you consider a 7 day Adventist for next President?

[Yeshua1]

As just learned today that Dr Carson is one!

 

[Salty]

Are we going to go thur that "I wont vote for that Pastor-in-Chief"

and btw - the fact that he is SDA has been out some time.

 

[TCassidy]

No. His church teaches that at the 2nd coming Christ will kill all those who worship on Sunday.

In my opinion that is even worse than Sharia law.

 

[Salty]

Thats his church - did Ben come out and say, that he personally believes that?
And even if he does - that is just a belief - not an action that ISIS is committing.
Big difference.

 

[exscentric]

No. His church teaches that at the 2nd coming Christ will kill all those who worship on Sunday.

In my opinion that is even worse than Sharia law.

Do you know off hand of some quotes relating to that from sda's?

 

[TCassidy]

Thats his church - did Ben come out and say, that he personally believes that?
And even if he does - that is just a belief - not an action that ISIS is committing.
Big difference.

So, if moderate Muslims don't speak out against the terrorists, and they are wrong for not doing so, and Ben does not speak out against the slaughter of Christians at the 2nd coming, how is that different?

 

[TCassidy]

Do you know off hand of some quotes relating to that from sda's?

At the end of time, a conflict will arise between those who worship the beast and his image and those who are the true followers of God. What sets these two groups apart is that one group, the true loyal remnant, keeps Saturday as a holy day, and the other group, the fallen and apostate, keeps Sunday as a holy day:

"One class will advocate a gospel of human devisings and will worship the beast and his image... The other class, in marked contrast, will live by the true gospel and 'keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus' (Rev. 14:9,12)... those who reject God's memorial of creatorship--the Bible Sabbath--choosing to worship and honor Sunday...will receive the mark of the beast."

(Seventh-day Adventists Believe, p. 167, Review and Herald (1989).)

"Jesus will return to put an end to the conflict, and those who kept Saturday as a holy day will "stand together with the Lamb on Mount Zion" while the Sunday-keepers will "receive the full wrath of God and die."

(Seventh-day Adventists Believe, p. 167, Review and Herald (1989).)

 

[Zaac]

Thats his church - did Ben come out and say, that he personally believes that?
And even if he does - that is just a belief - not an action that ISIS is committing.
Big difference.

Y'all need to stop with this craziness so that you can make yourself feel better about voting for him if he's the Republican nominee.

And if you're not voting for the pastor-in-chief, don't bother bringing the moral position of murdering babies or homosexual anything when it comes to the democrat nominee. Since we're taking religious beliefs off the table.

 

[exscentric]

At the end of time, a conflict will arise between those who worship the beast and his image and those who are the true followers of God. What sets these two groups apart is that one group, the true loyal remnant, keeps Saturday as a holy day, and the other group, the fallen and apostate, keeps Sunday as a holy day:

"One class will advocate a gospel of human devisings and will worship the beast and his image... The other class, in marked contrast, will live by the true gospel and 'keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus' (Rev. 14:9,12)... those who reject God's memorial of creatorship--the Bible Sabbath--choosing to worship and honor Sunday...will receive the mark of the beast."

(Seventh-day Adventists Believe, p. 167, Review and Herald (1989).)

"Jesus will return to put an end to the conflict, and those who kept Saturday as a holy day will "stand together with the Lamb on Mount Zion" while the Sunday-keepers will "receive the full wrath of God and die."

(Seventh-day Adventists Believe, p. 167, Review and Herald (1989).)

Thanks.

 

[church mouse guy]

Well, the SDA are nice people and their doctrine is debatable but that the notion that only people who go to church on Saturday will be saved does not disqualify Dr. Carson. What makes him an unlikely nominee would be his possible inability to defeat Hillary in debate and therefore wage a successful campaign against her. You can't expect a political novice to defeat someone whose political experience dates back to Watergate and who is a trained Yale lawyer and who is of the correct physical gender.

Of course, that does not mean that Dr. Carson is not more intelligent than Hillary. Dr. Carson has helped people and is kind and compassionate. Hillary is so dishonest and so corrupt that it is likely that the FBI themselves will be too corrupt to investigate her without Clinton influence corrupting the FBI.

 

[carpro]

No. His church teaches that at the 2nd coming Christ will kill all those who worship on Sunday.

Leaving out Sat. vs Sun, Is that view really any different than Church of Christ?

 

[carpro]

So, if moderate Muslims don't speak out against the terrorists, and they are wrong for not doing so, and Ben does not speak out against the slaughter of Christians at the 2nd coming, how is that different?

Who slaughters them?

 

[TCassidy]

Who slaughters them?

Their false Christ. Of which they approve.

 

[annsni]

I would vote for him if he were the best choice out of the batch. I refuse to not vote and a vote for a third party in my state is a waste of time so I will go by the guy who has the views closest to what I feel we need in office.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Y'all need to stop with this craziness so that you can make yourself feel better about voting for him if he's the Republican nominee.

And if you're not voting for the pastor-in-chief, don't bother bringing the moral position of murdering babies or homosexual anything when it comes to the democrat nominee. Since we're taking religious beliefs off the table.

Christianity vs. Morality

Apples vs. Oranges

One can be a non-Christian and still support morality as a social construct.

If it came down to Carsen vs. Clinton, I would wholeheartedly vote for Carsen. Whether he is a Christian or a deceived religious man, he and I hold the same moral beliefs. Mine come from my Christianity and at the worst case, his come from at least a "good" moral construct based on a what a portion of society believes.

I don't think he will get the nomination, but if he did - he has my vote.

 

[TCassidy]

If it came down to Carsen vs. Clinton, I would wholeheartedly vote for Carsen.

So would I if that were our only choice. But I will NOT vote for Carson in the primary. I would much rather see a man like Ted Cruz, a Baptist and son of a Baptist pastor, or even Donald Trump, than someone who holds to an idea that all of Sunday worshiping Christendom bears the mark of the beast, is in league with the Anti-Christ, and will be slaughtered at the 2nd coming.

 

[church mouse guy]

Their false Christ. Of which they approve.

I don't understand what you mean by their false Christ. Specifically, are you saying that the SDA are not Christian?

 

[carpro]

I don't understand what you mean by their false Christ. Specifically, are you saying that the SDA are not Christian?

Many people consider SDA a cult, just like they do Mormans.

Comes from following the teachings of a self proclaimed later day "prophets". Joseph Smith for Mormans and Ellen White for SDA.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I thought John Kennedy's presidency put the last nail in the "I won't vote for Smithers because he\she is not Protestant." coffin. What's the diff between an RCC candidate and a SDA one?

 

[carpro]

I remember when some thought John Kennedy was unelectable because he was a Catholic.