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You should vote for Trump 2020!
- Thread starter Sai
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Brother, I'll say that President Trump will only get my vote over abortion. Chief justice Roberts may side with liberals against overturning Roe v Wade. The president just doesnt seem like he has turned over a new leaf.
I am worried by his behavior since February, and I fear he may continue to handle crises like this. The media reported the president as shocked that the pandemic happened to him, since he was on top of the world. The LORD will do all He pleases, and President Trump will hopefully come to prayerfully understand how to succeed amongst adversity, prayerfully. That said, I would prefer a non Trumpian Rep wins the nomination in 2024.
Sai
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Don’t worry about it
Right... only our Father in Heaven is sovereign and I believe there will be a reckoning. Steve my brother, stay tuned.
The "reckoning" is already happening. In another thread I said this,
These proverbs trouble me about America's future. They would have since the pandemic wrecked the economy, if I had known about them then.
Proverbs 24:16
for the righteous falls seven times and rises again, but the wicked stumble in times of calamity.
Proverbs 11:11
By the blessing of the upright a city is exalted, but by the mouth of the wicked it is overthrown.
Proverbs 17:15
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD
Proverbs 24:25
But to those who rebuke the wicked will be delight, And a good blessing will come upon them.
Proverbs 11:31
If the righteous is repaid on earth,
how much more the wicked and the sinner!
While the Proverbs are general principles, I cannot Think of how this calamitous time ends with America rising back up without becoming more righteous. Our future as a nation is linked to blessing believers and calling evil and good what they are. A nation that is ready for evangelism to save souls. If America gets back up with the same wickedness, then we have only delayed what will become to us more and more inevitable.
Proverbs 24:16
for the righteous falls seven times and rises again, but the wicked stumble in times of calamity.
Proverbs 11:11
By the blessing of the upright a city is exalted, but by the mouth of the wicked it is overthrown.
Proverbs 17:15
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD
Proverbs 24:25
But to those who rebuke the wicked will be delight, And a good blessing will come upon them.
Proverbs 11:31
If the righteous is repaid on earth,
how much more the wicked and the sinner!
While the Proverbs are general principles, I cannot Think of how this calamitous time ends with America rising back up without becoming more righteous. Our future as a nation is linked to blessing believers and calling evil and good what they are. A nation that is ready for evangelism to save souls. If America gets back up with the same wickedness, then we have only delayed what will become to us more and more inevitable.
The real problem to me is that everyone was arguing we didn't a need a pastor in chief in 2016. I hope that sentiment is now dead among evangelicals. I now see scripture does not support it. Crises demand not just good policy, but sterling character that galvanizes the American people using the pulpit of the President. I don't think I am ever going to be able to let anyone argue that our President is not one of this nation's key Christian leaders. Someone who shepherds the American flock of Christ's sheep while keeping the many packs of wolves from destroying everything when the inevitable calamity strikes.
What we need most is what we gave up on as evangelicals. Christian politicians that are leaders in both policy and righteousness, galvanizing America to understand real good and evil, while blessing the righteous and rebuking the wicked.
You are learning
RighteousnessTemperance&
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Great proverbs, but hardly addresses the full extent of biblical examples and teaching on what men (and women?) proved to be good leaders of nations.
But, OK, I’ll bite. Which former US presidents have been pastors-in-chief, that is, how many have been qualified to lead a Christian church, and how many of those pastored the nation’s Christians?
Pastor-in-chief, to me, does not mean able to pastor a church. Instead, I would expect such a person to pass the biblical qualifications of deacon. Having a clean conscience, a godly home life, and tested and able to serve the body of Christ. I should really call what I am talking about deacon-in-chief.
George W. Bush and George H. W. Bush would both pass this test. I would like to see someone even better qualified than these two lead the nation as a Christian leader. A bible-believing Baptist, who to me understands the scriptures rightly.
The reason for such a requirement is that I truly believe from the scriptures that unless the American people are molded into a people that understands good and evil, blesses Christians, and rebukes the wicked. That this nation will not turn around and will perish at some point in the future. I believe only a godly Christian man, who has wisdom and sterling witness, would best do this, someone even better qualified to be deacon-in-chief than the Bush family.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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I’ll avoid the semantics for now and just ask if you avoided answering my question. I didn't ask for examples but a list.
Are you saying the nation has had just two presidents, out of the 44 who have held the office, that meet your qualifications?
Sai
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You’re on the precipice of being blocked
No, I thought I was addressing your question. I must have missed your point.
I must be honest that I'm not a good enough presidential historian to know how presidents before Carter governed morally. The vast majority of presidents in history seem to attempt a kind of "pastor of the nation" style that falls on its face due to their character. A big recent example to me is President Obama.
My concern is rooted in what I see as the problem. An American people lost in sin under God's Judgment. I am trying to understand what kind of leaders we need to call America to repent and trust the Gospel of Jesus Christ. To me, a Christian leader and evangelist would best be the leader of this country, assuming they had wisdom and sound judgment, especially in regards to policy.
This decision is not based on intimate knowledge of the presidency, since I am not well versed enough in presidential history. I'm sorry I cannot generate a list.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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Don’t you realize that you seem to be looking for a president to turn this nation around spiritually, that you seem to be looking to the president as a spiritual leader? If you think that is what presidents were in the past (it certainly isn't in the Constitution) but don’t know of any who were, then couldn’t it be you are on the wrong track?
As for your examples, you do know that Bush Sr. lied big league when he said, “Read my lips, no new taxes.” That’s a big one. And then his reputation for grabbing women by the “a__” uninvited seems rather disqualifying, according to what seem to be your stated standards.
You need to do more research on the Bush’s before you put them up as acceptable. What appears to be, is often false. What they do for the country, really do, to protect & preserve our Constitution, is what makes a great President. The Bush’s are all globalists, & worse if you really knew what they did. Don’t fall prey to the optics.
We're At War With Communist China And Their Globalist DNC, Media Sympathizers...The Sooner We Admit It, The Better - CD Media
This is where we are now. Weigh your vote carefully. The freebees will be evaporating, because #1 there is NO money to continue them, #2 after the election whichever way it falls, the dems will no longer care to buy your vote, so who do you think will lead the country forward to any real recovery? Be objective, not emotional. Cheers.
I believe this country is doomed within my lifetime, I'm still pretty young, if we do not turn around spiritually. Maybe the lifetime of my future children. That is my primary concern, turning this nation around spiritually and making it receptive to Christ. I know it is not in the constitution for a President to do so, but I am looking to the teachings of scripture far more than the constitution right now.
As for George W and George H W, yes they had flaws, especially George Jr. and his Iraq War debacle. However, George H W handled the end of the Cold War so well that we didn't have a conflict with the Soviets. His diplomacy and Reagan's strategic choices before him brought the Cold War to an end. That matters far more to me, than his raising taxes, especially given the elder Bush only did so after great thought and consultation. It was just that our deficit spending in the Cold War, especially the 80s, finally caught up with us. Something I am concerned about with the current deficit.
Sai
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The politicians are just going to raise taxes on all of us to pay for the safety net. The same thing they will have to do in a decade tops, given the deficit. A safety net that is a good thing as long as it doesn't turn into socialism. We have to resist turning the safety net into socialism as the Democrats seem to want to do.
Of course, China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran are our enemies. They threaten us with violence at all, to change our behavior and inflict harm on others. I understand the problem of globalism too. My degree is in political science with specializations in International Relations and National Security. The peace brokered at the end of the second world war is based on very unChristian concepts that should be rejected.
I believe this country is doomed within my lifetime, I'm still pretty young, if we do not turn around spiritually. Maybe the lifetime of my future children. That is my primary concern, turning this nation around spiritually and making it receptive to Christ. I know it is not in the constitution for a President to do so, but I am looking to the teachings of scripture far more than the constitution right now.