Your Job vs God

I defended a Mormon coworker once who was told by our boss (who was a Christian) that he coulsn't have a book or mormon in his cubicle. This despite the fact that my boss has a Bible on his bookcase. The boss was eventually reassigned.

 

Roman soldiers were not commanded to leave the army, though they were often fighting to enforce pagan Roman law in occupied territories. They were commanded to Do [unlawful] violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with their wages.

Often in civil service, Christians must do things which on the surface look like the wrong things to do, for the wrong reasons, but in reality they're not. The Mormon has the right to read his Book of Mormon, and when going to court to have his liberty defended, the Christian must defend him.

 

I once had a boss that encouraged the damaging of slow/non-selling merchandice so that it could be sent back to the manufacturer for full credit. I declined, but there were others who were more than willing to "please the boss".

I mostly have trouble with the reaaaalllllly unimportant but technical issues. For instance, I have been asked to sign-off on some paperwork, the work wasn't actually completed exactly as the paperwork stated. The boss doesn't care if the work was done exactly right, his boss doesn't care and I cannot determine if anyone up the corporate ladder cares but it can be used to brag that the work was done "just so". It is literally and physically not possible to do everything that is asked for exactly the way it is proposed. I know it, they know it, and they will even tell me that they know it. It just looks good on paper to say that this is how it is done. Those who live in the "ivory towers" WILL fire you if you do not "say" that you did it this way. They will not fire you if you actually don't do it that way. My question: Am I lying if I am not deceiving them? Is it a lie if they KNOW I didn't do it that way?

 

I see things this way. If your boss tells you, sign the papers or be unemployed, then the sin is his! You've been ordered by someone in authority. But to be discerning, if those papers stated that such and such bridge was safe when you knew it was not, then you'd be better off to be unemployed than to sign.

Christ told us to love Him first, and other's second. that paperwork, is it going to harm God's glory, or will it cause harm to another person? There is your answer.

In business I've found that sometimes things look good on paper but are totally impractical in reality. But the contract states that you will do it the way the contract states. Here you have to make the decision that you've fullfilled the contract to the best you can within the specifications of the contract and let it go. It would be a waste of time and money to revisit contract neogotiations over a minor technical detail. Especially if the parties are already past the point of no return.(job is nearly done etc) At this point you just have to use your good judgement and the judgement of those in line above you and let God take care of the rest. If you find you've done wrong, fess up and do your best to make things right.

 

As a Christian, I'm not obliged to enforce my faith on others. I think the issue here is less of an issue of faith vs job, but more an issue of professional ethics and responsibilities vs job.

For example, if I were a cop, and I responded to a call at an abortion clinic where Christians were illegally blocking access to the facility, I would have no problem arresting the protesters who are breaking the law.

If I were a judge, and the plaintiff were a Muslim, Mormon, or a wiccan, and they were suing an apartment building for refusing to rent based on the plaintiff's religion, I'd likely side with the plaintiff, assuming that it was proved that they refused to rent based on the plaintiff's religion.

OTOH, if I were an office worker and was told to sign a document that said something that I disagree with, I'd refuse. An employer can't fire a person who refuses to do something unethical or illegal.

 

Sure. But we should confuse giving up a job for Christ with using Christ as an excuse to give up a job for us. I've seen the latter happen quite a bit.

 

Ed Silvoso went through a similar situation to this before he became famous as a Christian Evangalist. He worked in a Hospital where the manager required illegally that all calls made from rooms be double charged as part of his personal policy. The manager was standing behind Ed when he did final accounts for a patron, and Ed charged only the correct fee. He was then taken into the office and verbally abused by the manager, after the manager finished his tirade, he asked Ed if he had anything to say for himself, and Ed replied "At least you know I will never steal from you!". The manager went quiet, Ed kept his Job and was eventually promoted.

http://www.harvestevan.org/eddesk.html

 

I am a manager in a store selling books, movies, music and video games. In each section we sell some titles that I do not approve of, however none are considered pornographic. My supervisors up the line know of how I feel about these types titles. The company does not promote these titles in advertisements, with special sales, or attempt to draw attention to them. These titles are also merchandised in areas not easily visible, and sometimes the cover obscured so it can't be seen by children. I knew the company sold these types of titles when I took the job, and while I don't approve of them they are protected as free speech in the United States.


If I had my choice we would not carry these titles, but it is not my my choice. I will do my job to the best of my ability and pray that it never comes down to me having to make a choice of keeping my job or not over something like this. I can live with the fact that we sell these titles even though I don't like it. If more offensive titles were ever sold then I would have a decision to make.

Bill

 

I agree with you 100% TexasSky. In the past I had to report my supervisor for doing some unethical things. He did not ask me to do them, but I knew that he was doing them. Had I kept quiet I would have been as guilty as he. I don't know for a fact, but I suspect that this is part of the reason he left the company rather quickly last year.

Bill

 

I recently held a discussion with my kids that we, as Christians at my church, were raised to believe that we should only work in Christian schools as teachers, or hold other jobs in christian-oriented venues only.

I explained my love for animals and how much I would have loved to be a vet, or gone to art school to be a commercial artist (though that education would be ouutdated by now), etc. But I felt my only choices were Christian school teacher, church secretary, missionary wife, pastor wife, wife, and possibly a nurse (though that was not encouraged).

I now see a need for Christian teachers in the public schools. No, they can't witness or pray with the children, but they would still be a role model who could help steer kids in the right direction, even if it's a subtil steer. If you saw the teachers I had in school (public) you'd know what I was talking about.

We need more people like Bill working in these video stores (or speaking up if they do) so the covers can be more discrete than what I've seen in the stores. I suppose the owners believe we all want to see that trash when we walk through the doors; but in reality we definately don't rent as much as we would if they had a specific place to hide the trashier videos. I'd settle for placing the tame videos at the front of the store so we don't have to walk past the covers we don't want to see.

Sometimes we work so hard at being seperated from the world that we are no earthly good to the lost.

As for the main question, I've lost a couple of clients for refusing to draw what I felt was going against my personal convictions. They stormed off angry and vowed never to return again, and to turn all their friends against me (just saved me from refusing their demands in the fuure).

The way I look at it is this: God gave me the ability and I couldn't do anything without Him. So, why dishonor Him by compromising my testimony just to keep a few clients who would probably try to push the bar further the next time?

 

Victory in Jesus,

I also remember growing up and hearing at summer camps about letting all the unsaved people be doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. Part of that thinking led me to quit engineering school the first year, and go to Bible college. Interestingly enough, I've worked as a software engineer, and now run my own consulting business. Somehow, God provides the work without the credentials. I still do want to pastor a church, but this is a nice side business for me.

Anyways, since starting my business, I've noticed I've had MORE freedom to share my beliefs, and it has increased my interaction with non-Christians. It has truly been a blessing. I'm convinced that we can glorify God in our work, and I'm actually thinking about taking a Master's degree in Religion to futher study a theology of work and ethics.

I've had my share of ethical delemmas at work. One time I discovered that we were not testing our product to a customer's specification. I raised this concern, and continued to do so until others finally started to do things correctly. It was long and painful, but I look back now, and even though people thought I was putting down a person who decided to lie to the customer, things worked out fine in the end.

The biggest challenge I see in the fields I work in are signing documents that certify things are done correctly, when people know the process was not followed. For example, software shipped without thoroughly being tested, but the customer being told things all tested fine.

I really don't have a big problem with lawsuits against companies anymore. Some may be frivolous, but I think that somehow people inside corporations need to be held accountable for the decisions that they make. I think most people feel like they are a small part of the process (which is true), but then they throw ethics out the window figuring it will never matter. Unfortunatly, I think many people in my professional are always worried about their next paycheck and outsourcing.