If you claim Calvin's Election surly you can prove it from Scripture.
Let's see you do that!
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If you claim Calvin's Election surly you can prove it from Scripture.
Let's see you do that!
Brightfame52
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As long as you remain deceived, nobody can prove Gospel Truth to you.
Well, you can try, BF.
Make me a believer of the Election, give it your best shot!
Brightfame52
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I have been proclaiming the Gospel and Election here for a while. It takes God to open up ones eyes of their understanding
I've seen you proclaim many things in Calvin's theory, but I haven't seen you prove the Election from Scripture.
You know, BF, I have never fully understood how grown educated men can get together and take several assumptions from Scripture and create a conclusion they can't prove.
We're not talking about just any conclusion, we're talking about a conclusion that determines eternal life.
How is it possible that they can't point to a matter of such importance and prove it?
Don't you think there's something wrong here? God didn't make salvation this complicated that we can't understand it.
Brightfame52
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Those who say Christs Death in and of itself didnt save anyone, do say such evil against the Testimony of scripture , in fact His Death/offering of Himself, which speaks to His Death, hath Justified them from all things, in that it both sanctified them and perfected them forever Heb 10:10,14
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Now the word perfected here is in the perfect tense:
The Perfect Tense
Action that has been completed in the past yet has results occurring in the present are expressed by the perfect tense. The perfect is often translated as "I have loosened."
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This perfection is permanent, and it includes our Justification
We are perfected forever, that is, perfectly freed from the punishment of sin forever by the offering of himself.[His Death]
Now this is the scripture testimony being spoken against by those who deny that Christ death saved them He died for, they show they have no Faith in the testimony of God here.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Now the word perfected here is in the perfect tense:
The Perfect Tense
Action that has been completed in the past yet has results occurring in the present are expressed by the perfect tense. The perfect is often translated as "I have loosened."
Greek Verbs Help Tutorial
Understanding how Greek verbs work includes Introduction; Number & Person; Tense; Voice; Mood; Infinitive; Additional Resources: Beginners or Advanced; & Notes
This perfection is permanent, and it includes our Justification
We are perfected forever, that is, perfectly freed from the punishment of sin forever by the offering of himself.[His Death]
Now this is the scripture testimony being spoken against by those who deny that Christ death saved them He died for, they show they have no Faith in the testimony of God here.
Brightfame52
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Christ death saved no one, if that was true why did Paul write:
Gal 2 21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. or then Christ died in vain
it wasn't in vain because righteousness comes by His Death, and this righteousness is our salvation Isa 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
Gal 2 21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. or then Christ died in vain
it wasn't in vain because righteousness comes by His Death, and this righteousness is our salvation Isa 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
Brightfame52
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How did Christ secure the peace of the elect ? Was it by His Death/Blood or by His Resurrection ? Lets look at scripture Col 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
And so this Peace is our Salvation and should be preached so notice Isa 52
How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
To preach peace is to preach salvation, and the Apostles preached peace Peter Acts 10:36
The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all)
How came this Peace but by the blood of Christ, His Death, not by His resurrection which testified of it
Rom 10:15
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
And how came this Peace ? Is it Salvation ?
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
And so this Peace is our Salvation and should be preached so notice Isa 52
How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
To preach peace is to preach salvation, and the Apostles preached peace Peter Acts 10:36
The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all)
How came this Peace but by the blood of Christ, His Death, not by His resurrection which testified of it
Rom 10:15
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
And how came this Peace ? Is it Salvation ?
Silverhair
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Those who say Christs Death in and of itself didnt save anyone, do say such evil against the Testimony of scripture , in fact His Death/offering of Himself, which speaks to His Death, hath Justified them from all things, in that it both sanctified them and perfected them forever Heb 10:10,14
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Now the word perfected here is in the perfect tense:
The Perfect Tense
Action that has been completed in the past yet has results occurring in the present are expressed by the perfect tense. The perfect is often translated as "I have loosened."
Greek Verbs Help Tutorial
Understanding how Greek verbs work includes Introduction; Number & Person; Tense; Voice; Mood; Infinitive; Additional Resources: Beginners or Advanced; & Notes
This perfection is permanent, and it includes our Justification
We are perfected forever, that is, perfectly freed from the punishment of sin forever by the offering of himself.[His Death]
Now this is the scripture testimony being spoken against by those who deny that Christ death saved them He died for, they show they have no Faith in the testimony of God here.
Well if we go by your theory BF then since Christ's death saves then everyone is saved.
Heb 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
To quote you
"We are perfected forever, that is, perfectly freed from the punishment of sin forever by the offering of himself.[His Death]"
What you are putting forward BF is universalism which is heresy.
Silverhair
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Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Silverhair
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So if we are saved by His death then why
1] preach as the people are already saved
2] ask people to believe as they are already saved
3] everyone is saved as He died to save the world
Act 13:39 (interpretive translation)
and through Him everyone who believes is justified from everything they could not be justified by the Law of Moses.
Recall that Paul taught that no flesh is justified by the Law, Galatians 2:16
Everyone who believes refers to everyone whose faith God has credited as righteousness.
and through Him everyone who believes is justified from everything they could not be justified by the Law of Moses.
Recall that Paul taught that no flesh is justified by the Law, Galatians 2:16
Everyone who believes refers to everyone whose faith God has credited as righteousness.
Brightfame52
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More denial. How are they perfected forever according to Heb 10:14 ? How are they sanctified once and for all according to Heb 10:10
False accusation, because many going to hell, so Christ didnt die for them.
Brightfame52
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Evasion.
Brightfame52
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How was peace made according to scripture ? Is Peace Salvation according to scripture ? Peace/Salvation came by His Death Isa 53:5
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
You flat out deny this
Silverhair
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Silverhair
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How is quoting scripture evasion BF?
That fact I do not agree with your calvinism is not denial of the truth of scripture.
I will leave that for you to do.
Silverhair
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I do not use the OT to prove the fact that we are saved by His life BF.
Paul has stated that clearly in verses that you have even posted and yet you deny this biblical truth.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Note it does not say anywhere that we are saved by Christ in the cross or in the grave.
Brightfame52
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If Christ death perfects forever them He died for, yet some people will go into hell for their sins, How in Gods Creation did Christ die for them Duh