Justified from all things

[Brightfame52]

The risen Christ just as the bible clearly shows us BF.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

So I have to ask you the same question BF, what do you believe in?

Faith believes in the saving blood, you say Jesus blood doesnt save anyone. So you lack Faith in His Blood

 

[Brightfame52]

I know what propitiation means but it is clear that you do not. That is rather shocking for someone that claims to preach the word of God.

G2434 propitiation
- Original: ἱλασμός
- Transliteration: Hilasmos
- Phonetic: hil-as-mos’
atoning sacrifice, sin offering

It is never used of any act whereby man brings God into a favorable attitude or gracious disposition. It is God who is "propitiated" by the vindication of His holy and righteous character, whereby through the provision He has made in the vicarious and expiatory sacrifice of Christ, He has so dealt with sin that He can show mercy to the believing sinner in the removal of his guilt and the remission of his sins. Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary

What happen to this:

1. an appeasing, propitiating
2. the means of appeasing, a propitiation

G2434 - hilasmos - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G2434 - ἱλασμός hilasmós, hil-as-mos'; atonement, i.e. (concretely) an expiator:—propitiation.

www.blueletterbible.org

What is appeasing, and who is appeased ?

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

The risen Christ just as the bible clearly shows us BF.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Those who Christ died for are saved, for they shall never die in their sins alienated from God, they shall be saved by His Life. Now if one is guaranteed to be saved by Christs Life, after being reconciled by His death, then they cant be lost.

Now we know people are going to be lost, so Christ could not have died for them and reconciled them to God by His death.

 

[Silverhair]

Thats what scripture says, and u reject it and scoff it calling it calvinism. Peter preached the same thing 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Being healed, the elect live unto righteousness, which means they live by Faith in the imputed righteousness of Christ. Thats what the healing death produces.

Not according to the bible is doesn't.

We are not save until we are in Christ and that only happens after we have trusted in the risen Christ.

By Christ's death we have been reconciled to God, not saved.

You are trusting in your calvinist religion not the word of God.

You need to trust the clear scripture to help ypu understand the not so clear but you are trying to impose your religion on the not so clear and ignoring the clear. It is nor wonder that you have such a hard time understanding the truths of God.

 

[Silverhair]

Faith believes in the saving blood, you say Jesus blood doesnt save anyone. So you lack Faith in His Blood

Wrong BF. I believe that Christ shed His blood on the cross and was the propitiation, the atoning sacrifice, for not just my sins but the sins of all humanity. I also believe that I am saved by the grace of God through faith in the risen Christ Jesus just as the bible tells.

The difference between you an me BF is I believe the whole gospel message as found in 1Co 15:3-4 but it seems you only believe vs 3 as you ignore vs 4.

 

[Silverhair]

What happen to this:

1. an appeasing, propitiating
2. the means of appeasing, a propitiation

G2434 - hilasmos - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G2434 - ἱλασμός hilasmós, hil-as-mos'; atonement, i.e. (concretely) an expiator:—propitiation.

www.blueletterbible.org

What is appeasing, and who is appeased ?

Are you telling the truth when you say you actually preach? With some of the questions you ask I really have my doubts.

appeasing
to bring to a state of peace, quiet, ease, calm, or contentment; pacify; soothe.
to satisfy, allay, or relieve; assuage.

Synonyms: placate, calm

PROPITIATION
In theology, the atonement or atoning sacrifice offered to God to assuage his wrath and render him propitious to sinners. Christ is the propitiation for the sins of men. Rom 3. 1 John 2.

propitiate
propitiated, propitiating
to make favorably inclined; appease; conciliate

Christ is the propitiation sacrifice that propitiates
God the father.

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



Those who Christ died for are saved, for they shall never die in their sins alienated from God, they shall be saved by His Life. Now if one is guaranteed to be saved by Christs Life, after being reconciled by His death, then they cant be lost.

Now we know people are going to be lost, so Christ could not have died for them and reconciled them to God by His death.

There is your universalism logic again BF. You are trusting in your calvistic religion not the word of God. Christ died for the whole world so your logic would have everyone saved.

Christ's death did not save anyone but it made the whole world saveable.

Christ died for the whole world so logically He died for those that are saved.

You almost have it BF. All are guaranteed to be saved IF they believe in Christ Jesus. All have the chance to be saved when they freely trust in the risen Christ Jesus.

Why do you continue to deny the word of God BF?

 

[Brightfame52]

Not according to the bible is doesn't.

We are not save until we are in Christ and that only happens after we have trusted in the risen Christ.

By Christ's death we have been reconciled to God, not saved.

You are trusting in your calvinist religion not the word of God.

You need to trust the clear scripture to help ypu understand the not so clear but you are trying to impose your religion on the not so clear and ignoring the clear. It is nor wonder that you have such a hard time understanding the truths of God.

Yeah according to both Isa 53:5 and 1 Pet 2:24 healed means saved. Its the greek word in 1 Peter ἰάομαι:

1. to cure, heal
2. to make whole
   1. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

To bring about ones Salvation, freed them from sins. They are saved. Now how did it happen according to 1 Pet 2:24

 

[Brightfame52]

Are you telling the truth when you say you actually preach? With some of the questions you ask I really have my doubts.

appeasing
to bring to a state of peace, quiet, ease, calm, or contentment; pacify; soothe.
to satisfy, allay, or relieve; assuage.

Synonyms: placate, calm

PROPITIATION
In theology, the atonement or atoning sacrifice offered to God to assuage his wrath and render him propitious to sinners. Christ is the propitiation for the sins of men. Rom 3. 1 John 2.

propitiate
propitiated, propitiating
to make favorably inclined; appease; conciliate

Christ is the propitiation sacrifice that propitiates
God the father.

When God is propitated, His wrath against them and their sins, has been satisfied, He is at peace with them. Now that is not the case for them who Gods wrath is against them and their sins, like these Eph 5:6

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Its no way Christ is their propitiation, nor are they reconciled to God by His Death . So please explain how they are part of the whole world of 1 Jn 2:2

 

[Brightfame52]

There is your universalism logic again BF. You are trusting in your calvistic religion not the word of God. Christ died for the whole world so your logic would have everyone saved.

Christ's death did not save anyone but it made the whole world saveable.

Christ died for the whole world so logically He died for those that are saved.

You almost have it BF. All are guaranteed to be saved IF they believe in Christ Jesus. All have the chance to be saved when they freely trust in the risen Christ Jesus.

Why do you continue to deny the word of God BF?

How could Christ have died for them He by His Death reconciled to God, when they shall be saved by His Life ? So how could he have died for them lost going to hell ?

 

[Silverhair]

Yeah according to both Isa 53:5 and 1 Pet 2:24 healed means saved. Its the greek word in 1 Peter ἰάομαι:

1. to cure, heal
2. to make whole
   1. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

To bring about ones Salvation, freed them from sins. They are saved. Now how did it happen according to 1 Pet 2:24

Yes we can be made whole through what we see in the whole gospel message BF. You want to have Christ's death save but then want to limit that to a select group. But neither of those views are supported via clear scripture.

We are reconciled to God but not saved by Christ's death,

We appropriate our freedom from sin's tyranny when we come to God in repentance and faith not before.
The expression healed means “to be forgiven.” Peter is saying that the scourging Jesus received before he was crucified and the wounds inflicted on him when he was crucified were the penalty Jesus paid for the redemption of the believer. Baker's New Testament Commentary

The separation between man and God has been bridged and God can now forgive and save those that will trust in His risen son.

 

[Silverhair]

How could Christ have died for them He by His Death reconciled to God, when they shall be saved by His Life ? So how could he have died for them lost going to hell ?

Read the bible BF. Try doing so without your religious bias.

1Jn 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Does that make it easier for you to understand BF?

You asked how some could end up in hell.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.