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Charlie24

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KenH said:
Psalm 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight:
That thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.


Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,

That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings,
And mightest overcome when thou art judged.

5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written,

There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth,
There is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable;
There is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre;
With their tongues they have used deceit;
The poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11 so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
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And your point with all this misinterpreted Scripture?
 
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Charlie24

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KenH said:
Answering your question in our post #2 in this thread:

"How will God justify Himself by choosing to send billions to Hell?"
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I can hear echoes from Hell, "you never gave us a chance."

But thank God there are no such echoes.

God is totally justified by mans free will and the mandate of His Law.
 
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Charlie24

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KenH said:
You appear to be judging the Almighty like you would judge a fellow mere human being.
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I'm afraid it's your theology that paints God as unjust toward man.

Acts 17:30

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"

Does your theology match God's command?
 
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KenH

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Charlie24 said:
Does your theology match God's command?
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Absolutely! I thnk John Gill presents the Biblical theology for that verse quite well:

"but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent; that is, he hath given orders, that the doctrine of repentance, as well as remission of sins, should be preached to all nations, to Gentiles as well as Jews; and that it becomes them to repent of their idolatries, and turn from their idols, and worship the one, only, living and true God: and though for many hundreds of years God had neglected them, and sent no messengers, nor messages to them, to acquaint them with his will, and to show them their follies and mistakes; yet now he had sent his apostles unto them, to lay before them their sins, and call them to repentance; and to stir them up to this, the apostle informs them of the future judgment in the following verse. Repentance being represented as a command, does not suppose it to be in the power of men, or contradict evangelical repentance, being the free grace gift of God, but only shows the need men stand in of it, and how necessary and requisite it is; and when it is said to be a command to all, this does not destroy its being a special blessing of the covenant of grace to some; but points out the sad condition that all men are in as sinners, and that without repentance they must perish: and indeed, all men are obliged to natural repentance for sin, though to all men the grace of evangelical repentance is not given."

- excerpt from John Gill's Bible commentary on Acts 17:30
 
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Ben1445

Active Member
KenH said:
Spot on. The "god" of the free-willers and the deniers of the absolute, total sovereignty of God is no more powerful than the "gods" of Greek mythology or the "superheroes" of modern day Marvel movies. According to the free-willers, their idea of a "god" sometimes gets what he desires and sometimes doesn't get what he desires. Therefore, I see no difference between their idea of a "god" and the "gods" of Greek mythology or the "superheroes" of modern day Marvel movies.
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Let’s let God define who He is.
I don’t think much of your ideas because you say that God cannot give free will and be sovereign. What your view means is that God becomes impotent in the face of man’s decisions. There is a serious misunderstanding of the power of God if you think our decisions take away His sovereignty.
 
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5 point Gillinist

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Ben1445 said:
I’m glad I don’t expect you or Calvin to say well done. I’m glad the job of judge in heaven is not passed on to people who decide, against the advice of Scripture, to judge the quality of another’s servant.
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No one that I know, who is reformed, claims to have that authority. I'm sure there are people who cast people out of the kingdom, but no one I know.
 
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Charlie24

Well-Known Member
KenH said:
Absolutely! I thnk John Gill presents the Biblical theology for that verse quite well:

"but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent; that is, he hath given orders, that the doctrine of repentance, as well as remission of sins, should be preached to all nations, to Gentiles as well as Jews; and that it becomes them to repent of their idolatries, and turn from their idols, and worship the one, only, living and true God: and though for many hundreds of years God had neglected them, and sent no messengers, nor messages to them, to acquaint them with his will, and to show them their follies and mistakes; yet now he had sent his apostles unto them, to lay before them their sins, and call them to repentance; and to stir them up to this, the apostle informs them of the future judgment in the following verse. Repentance being represented as a command, does not suppose it to be in the power of men, or contradict evangelical repentance, being the free grace gift of God, but only shows the need men stand in of it, and how necessary and requisite it is; and when it is said to be a command to all, this does not destroy its being a special blessing of the covenant of grace to some; but points out the sad condition that all men are in as sinners, and that without repentance they must perish: and indeed, all men are obliged to natural repentance for sin, though to all men the grace of evangelical repentance is not given."

- excerpt from John Gill's Bible commentary on Acts 17:30
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John Gill doesn't believe all men everywhere is all men everywhere.

He leaves much to be imagined. By his theology God demands man to repent but doesn't give all men everywhere the opportunity to repent.
 
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KenH

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Ben1445 said:
Let’s let God define who He is.
I don’t think much of your ideas because you say that God cannot give free will and be sovereign. What your view means is that God becomes impotent in the face of man’s decisions. There is a serious misunderstanding of the power of God if you think our decisions take away His sovereignty.
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I trust in the Christ Jesus and His finished work for my salvation.

Free-willers trust in their supposed "free will" to make the "right decisions" in their lives to save them and to keep them saved.
 
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