Christ SHALL Save His People From Their Sins

[Aaron]

And those that freely respond to that message will be saved. But in the passage Mat 1:21 it can be seen clearly that it is [pointing to the Jews.

There is only one Gospel. It's no different for the Jew or the non-jew. You need to burn your Scofield bible and get a real one.

 

[Silverhair]

There is only one Gospel. It's no different for the Jew or the non-jew. You need to burn your Scofield bible and get a real one.

Mat 1:21 "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." NASB

Mat 1:21 "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins." NKJV

Mat 1:21 She will give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus, because He will save His people from their sins.” BSB

at 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. KJV

Shocking, they all say the same thing, She {Mary a Jew} shall have a son {Jesus} and He will save His people {Jews} from their sins.

 

[David Lamb]

Mat 1:21 "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." NASB

Mat 1:21 "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins." NKJV

Mat 1:21 She will give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus, because He will save His people from their sins.” BSB

at 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. KJV

Shocking, they all say the same thing, She {Mary a Jew} shall have a son {Jesus} and He will save His people {Jews} from their sins.

Just to make sure I haven't misunderstood you, can you confirm that you believe Jesus came to earth and died on the cross only to save Jews? I agree with what John Gill wrote in his commentary on Matthew 1:21: "By "his people" whom he is said to save are meant, not all mankind, though they are his by creation and preservation, yet they are not, nor will they be all saved by him spiritually and eternally; nor also the people of the Jews, for though they were his nation, his kinsmen, and so his own people according to the flesh, yet they were not all saved by him; many of them died in their sins, and in the disbelief of him as the Messiah: but by them are meant all the elect of God, whether Jews or Gentiles, who were given to him by his Father, as a peculiar people, and who are made willing in the day of his power upon them, to be saved by him in his own way. And these he saves from "their sins," from all their sins, original and actual; from secret and open sins; from sins of heart, lip and life; from sins of omission and commission; from all that is in sin, and omission upon it; from the guilt, punishment, and damning power of it, by his sufferings and death; and from the tyrannical government of it by his Spirit and grace; and will at last save them from the being of it, though not in this life, yet hereafter, in the other world, when they shall be without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing."

 

[Brightfame52]

We don't know exactly what you believe, BF. We have to pick it out of your posts. I just hope that you have repented of your sins by faith in Christ.

If you get that part right from the heart and hold on to the end with it, you're going to make it.

God asks very little of us, but demands that we repent and believe in His Son. I hope you have taken those steps in faith.

I can tell what you believe, appears to be in dispensationalism, thats a false teaching, and you dont believe Jesus came to save and save a particular people from their sins as announced by the Angel from Heaven Matt 1:21 You regulate that to be only ethnic jews. Sodo you believe that according to that promise all ethnic jews shall be saved from their sins ?

 

[Brightfame52]

His people are the Jews BF. Yes Christ loves His church is is comprised of all those, Jews a & Greeks, that will freely trust in the risen son of God.

False, its the Church., His Body and i see you also have been deceived by dispensationalism,, with Walvord, Pentecost, Scofield and them false teachers.

 

[Zaatar71]

You are trying to explain things from your calvinist view. I am pointing that your calvinist view has serious errors. I could quote the words of calvvinists too you and you still would say I got it wrong.

Of course I reject the god of calvinism as He is not the God we see in scripture.
Your confessions disagree with you ZA
God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass LBCF


Calvinism has ran into the ditch actually it never got out of the ditch. It started with pagan philosophy and it carries that on to this day.

Read my words ZA. I have looked at calvinism I can quote your calvinism so when I say it is in serious error I know what I am speaking of.

The false witness is what you continue to hold to ZA. Sorry but what you are teaching is not biblical.

I quote your confessions so you can not say I got it wrong. Open your eyes ZA.

You should be upset as you have been mislead into believing that false doctrine.

You quote half quotes , and lack comprehnsion on what you try and read. Reading is not just looking over the words, but they need to be comprehended also. I and others have answered every weak accusation, you just refuse the answers, not a problem for me.

 

[Aaron]

Mat 1:21 "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." NASB

Mat 1:21 "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins." NKJV

Mat 1:21 She will give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus, because He will save His people from their sins.” BSB

at 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. KJV

Shocking, they all say the same thing, She {Mary a Jew} shall have a son {Jesus} and He will save His people {Jews} from their sins.

The Scofield bible is not a translation.

It's the codification of Darbyism, and where your ideas about prophecy and election according the flesh are rooted.

 

[Aaron]

Shocking, they all say the same thing, She {Mary a Jew} shall have a son {Jesus} and He will save His people {Jews} from their sins.

What is a Jew?...according to Paul, that is.

 

[Silverhair]

You quote half quotes , and lack comprehnsion on what you try and read. Reading is not just looking over the words, but they need to be comprehended also. I and others have answered every weak accusation, you just refuse the answers, not a problem for me.

What half quotes ZA. You asked questions I gave you answers and you continue to ignore what God has said.

You can make all the excuses you want but the truth is the truth.

 

[Zaatar71]

What half quotes ZA. You asked questions I gave you answers and you continue to ignore what God has said.

You can make all the excuses you want but the truth is the truth.

Here is the full statement that you ignore;
Of God’s Decree

1 God hath adecreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin bnor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather cestablished; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness din accomplishing his decree.
( a Isa 46:10; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17; Rom 9:15,18; b Jam 1:13; 1Jo 1:5; c Act 4:27-28; Joh 19:11; d Num 23:19; Eph 1:3-5)

2 Although God knoweth whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all esupposed conditions, yet hath he not decreed anything, fbecause he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions. ( eAct 15:18; f Rom 9:11,13,16,18)

3 By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, gsome men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the hpraise of his Confession of Faith of 1689 11 glorious grace; others being left to act in their sin to their ijust condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice. ( g 1Ti 5:21; Mat 25:34; h Eph 1:5-6; i Rom 9:22-23; Jude 4)

4 These angels and men thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and un changeably designed, and their knumber so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished. ( k 2Ti 2:19; Joh 13:18)

5 Those of mankind l that are predestinated to life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of his mere free grace and love, mwithout any other thing in the creature as a condition or cause moving him thereunto. ( l Eph 1:4,9,11; Rom 8:30; 2Ti 1:9; 1Th 5:9; m Rom 9:13,16; Eph 2:5,12)

6 As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so he hath, by the eternal and most free purpose of his will, foreordained nall the means thereunto; wherefore they who are elect ed, being fallen in Adam, oare redeemed by Christ, are effectually pcalled unto faith in Christ, by his Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by his power through faith qunto salvation; neither are any other redeemed by Christ, or effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect ronly. ( n1Pe 1:2; 2Th 2:13; o1Th 5:9-10; p Rom 8:30; 2Th 2:13; q1Pe 1:5; rJoh 10:26, 17:9, 6:64)

7 The doctrine of this high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special pru dence and care, that men attending the will of God revealed in his Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their seternal election; so shall this doctrine afford matter tof praise, reverence, and ad miration of God, and uof humility, diligence, and xabundant consolation to all that sin cerely obey the gospel. ( s 1Th 1:4-5; 2Pe 1:10; t Eph 1:6; Rom 11:33; u Rom 11:5-6,20; x Luk 10:20)

 

[Silverhair]

What is a Jew?...according to Paul, that is.

You ask according to Paul I ask why you do not ask according to God?

God promises that Israel, the natural descendants of Abraham, shall inherit the land forever. It is clear from 2Ch_20:7 that this promise is in accordance with the unconditional Abrahamic Covenant . This "land promise" provision of the Abrahamic Covenant cannot, will not, ever be transferred to someone else. It has not yet been fulfilled (Act_7:5), but it will be. Other important cross references in the Bible which bear upon this theme include Gen_13:15, Psa_37:9, Psa_37:22, Amo_9:15, Scripture is most emphatic that God has not permanently cast off Israel! Isa_41:9; Isa_60:21, Zec_10:6, Rom_11:1-2; Rom_11:29.

 

[Silverhair]

Here is the full statement that you ignore;
Of God’s Decree

1 God hath adecreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin bnor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather cestablished; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness din accomplishing his decree.
( a Isa 46:10; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17; Rom 9:15,18; b Jam 1:13; 1Jo 1:5; c Act 4:27-28; Joh 19:11; d Num 23:19; Eph 1:3-5)

2 Although God knoweth whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all esupposed conditions, yet hath he not decreed anything, fbecause he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions. ( eAct 15:18; f Rom 9:11,13,16,18)

3 By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, gsome men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the hpraise of his Confession of Faith of 1689 11 glorious grace; others being left to act in their sin to their ijust condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice. ( g 1Ti 5:21; Mat 25:34; h Eph 1:5-6; i Rom 9:22-23; Jude 4)

4 These angels and men thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and un changeably designed, and their knumber so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished. ( k 2Ti 2:19; Joh 13:18)

5 Those of mankind l that are predestinated to life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of his mere free grace and love, mwithout any other thing in the creature as a condition or cause moving him thereunto. ( l Eph 1:4,9,11; Rom 8:30; 2Ti 1:9; 1Th 5:9; m Rom 9:13,16; Eph 2:5,12)

6 As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so he hath, by the eternal and most free purpose of his will, foreordained nall the means thereunto; wherefore they who are elect ed, being fallen in Adam, oare redeemed by Christ, are effectually pcalled unto faith in Christ, by his Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by his power through faith qunto salvation; neither are any other redeemed by Christ, or effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect ronly. ( n1Pe 1:2; 2Th 2:13; o1Th 5:9-10; p Rom 8:30; 2Th 2:13; q1Pe 1:5; rJoh 10:26, 17:9, 6:64)

7 The doctrine of this high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special pru dence and care, that men attending the will of God revealed in his Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their seternal election; so shall this doctrine afford matter tof praise, reverence, and ad miration of God, and uof humility, diligence, and xabundant consolation to all that sin cerely obey the gospel. ( s 1Th 1:4-5; 2Pe 1:10; t Eph 1:6; Rom 11:33; u Rom 11:5-6,20; x Luk 10:20)

ZA anything they say after these words "God hath adecreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass"

Does not help them, they are just contradicting themselves.

 

[Aaron]

You ask according to Paul I ask why you do not ask according to God?

What Paul wrote isn't the word of God?

God promises that Israel, the natural descendants of Abraham, shall inherit the land forever. It is clear from 2Ch_20:7 that this promise is in accordance with the unconditional Abrahamic Covenant . This "land promise" provision of the Abrahamic Covenant cannot, will not, ever be transferred to someone else. It has not yet been fulfilled (Act_7:5), but it will be. Other important cross references in the Bible which bear upon this theme include Gen_13:15, Psa_37:9, Psa_37:22, Amo_9:15, Scripture is most emphatic that

What does Paul tell us of the fulfillment of those things?

God has not permanently cast off Israel! Isa_41:9; Isa_60:21, Zec_10:6, Rom_11:1-2; Rom_11:29.

He hasn't even cast off Israel temporarily, as is clearly evident by the explosion of conversions among the Jews in the first century. Paul says, 'No, God hasn't cast off His people. There's no one more Jewish than I am, and yet here I am preaching Christ and Him crucified. So, no, God has not cast them off. There is yet and election of grace, and election hath obtained the promises, and the rest were blinded. Romans 11:5, 7

This blinding, which you are reading as a casting off, is described as partial, not temporary. The election of grace weren't blinded at all. But whether or not it is temporary thing, one thing is certain, there is no other promise than the Gospel, and a return to the trappings of the weak, faulty, and ineffective testament is a crucifixion of Christ afresh. Umm...The Book of Hebrews.

 

[Zaatar71]

ZA anything they say after these words "God hath adecreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass"

Does not help them, they are just contradicting themselves.

They do not contradict themselces. Hint!
that is the parts you do not understand, those are the truths that elude you!

 

[Silverhair]

They do not contradict themselces. Hint!
that is the parts you do not understand, those are the truths that elude you!

God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;

Do you have different meanings for the words I put in bold ZA.

Those words make everything said just a way of softening what those words say.

decreed in himself
unchangeably,
all things,
whatsoever comes to pass

There is no wiggle room there ZA. Either in their opinion God does just as the writers of that confessions say He does or they were just telling a lie. Which is it ZA?

For them to then say Ya but not all things is just a contradiction.

Calvinist divine determinism has put you in a trap of your own making.

 

[Zaatar71]

God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;

Do you have different meanings for the words I put in bold ZA.

Those words make everything said just a way of softening what those words say.

decreed in himself
unchangeably,
all things,
whatsoever comes to pass

There is no wiggle room there ZA. Either in their opinion God does just as the writers of that confessions say He does or they were just telling a lie. Which is it ZA?

For them to then say Ya but not all things is just a contradiction.

Calvinist divine determinism has put you in a trap of your own making.

When you put up the whole statement, then we will see the truth. Once again notice SH. only quotes half of the statement.