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Is vigor same as sin?

KJB1611reader

KJB1611reader

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David Lamb said:
Not sure which other thread you mean, so I'll justsay here that I see from your link that the "Baptist version" has these words at the end of Romans 16:

"Written to the Romans from Corinth by Phebe servant of the church of Cenchrea."

However, of course there is nothing to say where those words come from. Adam Clarke in his commentary on Romans 16:27, says: "[Written to the Romans from Corinthus,] was written from Corinth is almost universally believed. That Phoebe was a deaconess of the Church at Cenchrea, we have seen in the first verse of this chapter; and that the epistle might have been sent by her to Rome is possible; but that she should have been the writer of the epistle, as this subscription states, is false, for [{Ro 16:22 }] shows that Tertius was the writer, though by inserting the words and sent, we represent her rather as the carrier than the writer. This subscription, however, stands on very questionable grounds. It is wanting in almost all the ancient MSS.; and even of those which are more modern, few have it entirely, as in our common editions. It has already been noted that the subscriptions to the sacred books are of little or no authority, all having been added in latter times, and frequently by injudicious hands. The most ancient have simply To the Romans, or the Epistle to the Romans is finished."
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Well, Luther had the colophons, Tyndale and others. It came from the Greek manuscripts.

Tyndale corrected the Ltin and added them.

Shawn
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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KJB1611reader said:
Well, Luther had the colophons, Tyndale and others. It came from the Greek manuscripts.

Tyndale corrected the Ltin and added them.

Shawn
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As it seems from sources I have looked at that very few of the manuscripts have the part about Phoebe/Phebe writing the letter, I don't believe she did. An even better reason for believing that she didn't write it is that we are actually told in the letter who did:

“I, Tertius, who wrote this epistle, greet you in the Lord.” (Ro 16:22 NKJV)
 
KJB1611reader

KJB1611reader

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David Lamb said:
As it seems from sources I have looked at that very few of the manuscripts have the part about Phoebe/Phebe writing the letter, I don't believe she did. An even better reason for believing that she didn't write it is that we are actually told in the letter who did:

“I, Tertius, who wrote this epistle, greet you in the Lord.” (Ro 16:22 NKJV)
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Yes, I believe Tertius wrote it.

I believe Phebe sent it. I was just saying that baptist version left out those 'sent by' words.

Shawn
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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KJB1611reader said:
They also changed Genesis 49:6.
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I cannot imagine it was because they were Baptists. I can't see anything that goes against Baptist teaching in the other translations of the Genesis verse:

“Let not my soul enter their council; Let not my honor be united to their assembly; For in their anger they slew a man, And in their self-will they hamstrung an ox.” (Ge 49:6 NKJV)
 
KJB1611reader

KJB1611reader

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David Lamb said:
I cannot imagine it was because they were Baptists. I can't see anything that goes against Baptist teaching in the other translations of the Genesis verse:

“Let not my soul enter their council; Let not my honor be united to their assembly; For in their anger they slew a man, And in their self-will they hamstrung an ox.” (Ge 49:6 NKJV)
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Do see that anglican bias in the kj as Rick did?
 
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