Kevin Ezell, NAMB claim state conventions are SBC entities in SCOTUS brief

[Reynolds]

How do you all view this suit in light of Paul's speaking of not going to court before unbelievers? (1 Corinthians 6:1-8)

Thanks.

The powers in the SBC are not acting in a Godly manner. They are wrong and are forcing it to come to the heathen because they will not do what is right.

 

[Wingman68]

Problem is "money talks". I know several small SBC churches who contribute to the SBC to appease older members. Many of these pastors would withdraw if doing so would not be so divisive.

I have also noticed that often the SBC tries to choose (via recommendation...sometimes a bit to strongly) pastors to fill vacancies.

I am an older member who left my SBC Church because the young, highly educated pastor was all in with voting for Greear, & he did not ask what members wanted before going to the convention, instead advising them how he would vote & saying ‘we would be in good hands’. I left without saying why. The church had already been divided over the pastor & youth pastor change. The way that was handled had already left a bad taste in my mouth. Similar, I would say, to the coup that we are experiencing in the country now.
We see even here at BB, when the left gains a foothold, irregardless of how they got there, they are quick to beat you down so that you lose your will to stand up for what you believe. That is why those on my side have no patience with arguments for the progressive climate. We may get ‘banned’, but not owned.

 

[JonC]

I am an older member who left my SBC Church because the young, highly educated pastor was all in with voting for Greear, & he did not ask what members wanted before going to the convention, instead advising them how he would vote & saying ‘we would be in good hands’. I left without saying why. The church had already been divided over the pastor & youth pastor change. The way that was handled had already left a bad taste in my mouth. Similar, I would say, to the coup that we are experiencing in the country now.
We see even here at BB, when the left gains a foothold, irregardless of how they got there, they are quick to beat you down so that you lose your will to stand up for what you believe. That is why those on my side have no patience with arguments for the progressive

"Progressive". That is the word I was trying to think of.

I agree. And your former church is not an isolated incident. I have attended two churches where the same thing has occurred.

I see two benefits of the Convention - seminaries and missions. But just like the federal government the Convention has a tendency to overstep its commission.

 

[Baptist Believer]

I am an older member who left my SBC Church because the young, highly educated pastor was all in with voting for Greear, & he did not ask what members wanted before going to the convention, instead advising them how he would vote & saying ‘we would be in good hands’.

Southern Baptists send “messengers” to the Convention, who vote their conscience, not delegates that allegedly represent the views of their church’s membership. They are not supposed to go in with an agenda.

In all my years of attending the Convention, I never had anyone at my church tell me how to vote.

We see even here at BB, when the left gains a foothold, irregardless of how they got there, they are quick to beat you down so that you lose your will to stand up for what you believe.

i don’t think “the left” has had a foothold here since somewhere around 2004 or 2005. At that point, they were essentially banished from the site because the former owner didn’t like their viewpoint and established some rules about what viewpoints can be aired here.

 

[Wingman68]

Southern Baptists send “messengers” to the Convention, who vote their conscience, not delegates that allegedly represent the views of their church’s membership. They are not supposed to go in with an agenda.

In all my years of attending the Convention, I never had anyone at my church tell me how to vote.


i don’t think “the left” has had a foothold here since somewhere around 2004 or 2005. At that point, they were essentially banished from the site because the former owner didn’t like their viewpoint and established some rules about what viewpoints can be aired here.

If only the pastor attends, his vote is the vote of the church, imo. If he is representing us, we should have some input, but whatever you say......because you’ll keep saying it backwards & forwards until heads explode. That’s not good on a beautiful Sunday.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I don’t think “the left” has had a foothold here since somewhere around 2004 or 2005. At that point, they were essentially banished from the site because the former owner didn’t like their viewpoint and established some rules about what viewpoints can be aired here.

If you are referring to the founding owner. He is a Hungarian emigre.

 

[Reynolds]

If only the pastor attends, his vote is the vote of the church, imo. If he is representing us, we should have some input, but whatever you say......because you’ll keep saying it backwards & forwards until heads explode. That’s not good on a beautiful Sunday.

I agree in theory. In practicality, if my pastor voted liberal at the convention, he wouldn't be my pastor long

 

[Revmitchell]

So the claim was the SBC is a governing body over the state conventions.

I agree that is incorrect. But I think that is the direction the Convention has been moving. Not long ago they issued a resolution about "rebel flags". It is overstepping and the churches should draw a line. Unfortunately I suspect the smaller churches loose their voice in the Convention.

it’s not possible. Every entity is autonomous

 

[JonC]

it’s not possible. Every entity is autonomous

They are, I agree. But what I am speaking of is influence. An autonomous entity can come under the control of another entity via influence. They remain autonomous while loosing some of their autonomously by choice. In other words, there are churches who could leave the SBC but won't even though they disagree with the direction it is going.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

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We see even here at BB, when the left gains a foothold, irregardless of how they got there, they are quick to beat you down so that you lose your will to stand up for what you believe. That is why those on my side have no patience with arguments for the progressive climate. We may get ‘banned’, but not owned.

Perhaps it helps to be blessed with an adamantine skull.