Just to save you some time,onestand, I posted this on another thread. If you could provide the Scripture that God changed His mind on these things, I would be very grateful. It would make things much easier to go with the poplular vote so to speak.
This movie is presented as good or Biblically sound. In evaluation, anything that presents the use of or is of the occult in a positive way or provides beliefs contrary to God's Word, or is presented by someone who rejects Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior---we cannot embrace as a source of doctrine or belief.
Job 14:4 "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one."
Jas 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
There were given a list of nine occult practices which are forbidden by God and revealed to all as "abominations to the Lord."
Deuteronomy 18:9-12 "When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee"
We have no business enjoying or considering something to be innocent or alright that is an abomination to our Lord.
We definitely have no business calling it Biblically sound or good and of Him, if it is an abomination to Him. A quick review of those abominations revealed in the Scriptures shows this, sourcing various dictionaries and so on.
Someone who uses divination, which is defined as >"determine by lot or magical scroll; soothsayer.; oracle, witchcraft. Divination is also defined as "The act of divining; a foretelling future events, or discovering things secret or obscure, by the aid of superior beings, or by other than human means." aka ...demons
Thats the stuff of emmerich, bridget and mary of agreda, which mel gibson used for his script and which is portrayed in scene after scene.
Emmerich was known to have a 'spirit' as a companion that accompanied her wherever she went, she levitated and so on.
The Hebrew word for "an enchanter" means properly, to hiss, i.e. whisper a (magic) spell, divine, enchanter. Webster defined an enchanter as, "One who enchants; a sorcerer or magician; one who has spirits or demons at his command; one who practices enchantment, or pretends to perform surprising things by the agency of demons."
A consulter with familiar spirits, which was emmerich, agread and bridget, is one who asks or inquires infromation from a divining spirit. This spirit was supposed to be in the person of the conjurer, and was used to reveal to what was secret or hidden in the future ...aka demon possession.
A person who is a necromancer" is supposed to foretell the future by communicating with the dead; a magician, sorcerer, magician, a conjurer-which was emmerich, agreda and bridget.--and Mel Gibson sourced their divination for his movie which many call God given.
All those abominations fit what emmerich, mary of agreda and bridget were/are about. And therefore the Scriptures apply.
How are those who belong to Jesus Christ to view divination and its end results?
Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.
Paul said in Galatians 5:19-21, "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
We have been warned.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
giving heed <prosecho> to seducing <planos> spirits <pneuma>, and doctrines <didaskalia> of devils <daimonion>;
giving heed <prosecho> 4337. prosecw prosecho, pros-ekh'-o from 4314 and 2192; (figuratively) to hold the mind (3563 implied) towards, i.e. pay attention to, be cautious about, apply oneself to, adhere to:--(give) attend(-ance, -ance at, -ance to, unto), beware, be given to, give (take) heed (to unto); have regard.
to seducing <planos> 4108. planov planos, > plan'-os of uncertain affinity; roving (as a tramp), i.e. (by implication) an impostor or misleader; --deceiver, seducing.
1319. didaskalia didaskalia, did-as-kal-ee'-ah >from 1320; instruction (the function or the information):--doctrine, learning, teaching.
doctrines <didaskalia> 1319. didaskalia didaskalia, did-as-kal-ee'-ah from 1320; instruction (the function or the information):--doctrine, learning, teaching.
of devils <daimonion>; 1140. daimonion daimonion, dahee-mon'-ee-on neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity:--devil, god.
1142. daimwn daimon, dah'-ee-mown from daio (to distribute fortunes); a dæmon or supernatural spirit (of a bad nature):--devil.
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy
Speaking lies 5573. qeudologov pseudologos, psyoo-dol-og'-os > from 5571 and 3004; mendacious, i.e. promulgating erroneous Christian doctrine:--speaking lies.
5571. qeudhv pseudes, psyoo-dace' from 5574; untrue, i.e. erroneous, deceitful, wicked:--false, liar.
in hypocrisy 5272. upokrisiv hupokrisis, hoop-ok'-ree-sis from 5271; acting under a feigned part, i.e. (figuratively) deceit ("hypocrisy"):--condemnation, dissimulation, hypocrisy.
1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
no fellowship 4790. sugkoinwnew sugkoinoneo, soong-koy-no-neh'-o from 4862 and 2841; to share in company with, i.e. co-participate in:--communicate (have fellowship) with, be partaker of.
Jesus, our Lord, said very clearly
Mt 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Lu 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Lu 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit
