Questions for those holding an extreme KJVO position

[Samuel Owen]

The person that led me to the Lord used "Good News for Modern Man", a paraphrase, and not a good one at that. Do you believe I am saved, Wil? Many in the KJVO say that I am not saved because of the "Bible" that was used when I was led to the Lord.
For almost two years after that God fed my soul on Kenneth Taylor's "The Living Bible." Did God speak to me during that time? Yes He did. He answered prayer. He guided me. He led me. He was with me. I talked to him in prayer; and he talked to me "through his word" as I had it.

That proves how gracious God is. :laugh:

 

[Will J. Kinney]

several inspired and 100% true bibles?

I've got several inspired, 100% true bibles. Some are KJV, some are other translations. Each one was inspired by God through the penning of the originals and have been faithfully translated into English.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but God did not write the bible in English to start with, or any time after that. He gave men the knowledge and ability to translate it into other languages... and He didn't retract that knowledge and ability in 1612.

Hi Trotter. I suspect you have a really strange and unique way of defining the words "100% true bibles", but to put my theory to the test, would you mind listing any two of these "inspired and 100% true bibles" and maybe we can see if what you affirm makes any sense. OK? Are you willing to do that?

Thanks,

Will K

 

[Will J. Kinney]

a minor issue?

You see, that's the whole problem with this issue. Who sez we gotta plug everybody into a niche based on Bible preference? It's just another minor issue that Satan uses to separate the brethren and keep us from focusing on keeping the main the the main thing.

Whether or not there exists such a thing as a complete, preserved, infallible and 100% true Bible in any language is "a minor issue"?

We have several here at the forum who tell us that it is impossible to have an infallible translation and that only the originals were inspired, but of course we no longer have the originals. Thus, "no inerrant and 100% true Bible".

Some prefer the ever changing Critical texts and still have no inerrant Bible. Other like the TR but still have no inerrant Bible. Some commit intellectual suicide and tell us that 5 or 6 versions that differ from each other by thousands of words, names, numbers, and meanings are "all inspired and inerrant". And meanwhile the recent polls show that the majority of Christians do not believe in the inerrancy of Scripture; more than half do not believe either Satan or the Holy Spirit are persons, but are mere influences, and a good percentage of Christians believe Christ sinned while on earth.

"A minor issue"?

We are living in the times of the falling away from the faith; not a great revival.

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matthew 11:15

Will K

 

[Will J. Kinney]

prove the alleged error

No Will, all that needs to be done to prove you wrong is to show you ONE err in the KJV, that would prove that the Authorized Version is not an inerrant bible.

Will, the problem lies not with the KJV, the modern translations or even the textus receptus. It lies with your insistence on an infallible translation.
It’s God’s word that is inerrant; mans transmission and translation of it is open to correction and err.

Regarding the Authorized Version: It is certain that the translation is not so sound and so perfect, it needed correction in many places;
Yet it seemed good to the holy Spirit to use that which the translators produced as a witness not to be disregarded.

Certainly the Authorized Version is a great literary masterpiece but to claim that the KJV (or any other translation) is inerrant is wrong.

The translators of King James Version knew this when they wrote in their preface:

"… we do not deny, nay we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God."

Rob

Hi Rob. Do you have a complete and 100% true Bible? If so, what is it? Now, for those "errors" in the KJB, do you have one you can prove or will you just be giving us your own personal preference?

Or will you take the position that a printing error way back there in 1631 that happened in one printing of the hundreds in its long history "proves" the KJB is wrong? What have you got?

Thanks,

Will K

 

[Will J. Kinney]

Oh No! It's the fruit loop theory again

Here is a printable form of what I like to call the "Fruit Loop" Theory

All VALID English Language Bibles​

Collectively and Individually


contain and are​

the Inerrant and Perfect​

Written Word of God


preserved by Divine Appointment


for the generation in which they are translated.

​

​

​

 

[DHK]

Here is a printable form of what I like to call the "Fruit Loop" Theory

Since all Bibles are valid this must be your theory? :laugh:

 

[Deacon]

Hi Rob. Do you have a complete and 100% true Bible? If so, what is it?

God's word is true.
I use many different trustworthy versions.

Now, for those "errors" in the KJB, do you have one you can prove or will you just be giving us your own personal preference?

Or will you take the position that a printing error way back there in 1631 that happened in one printing of the hundreds in its long history "proves" the KJB is wrong? What have you got?

Thanks,

TRANSLATION ERR

Yet they had a file for the mattocks, and for the coulters, and for the forks, and for the axes, and to sharpen the goads.
1 Samuel 13:21 AV 1873

The price was two-thirds of a shekel for sharpening plowpoints and mattocks, and a third of a shekel for sharpening forks and axes and for repointing goads.
1 Samuel 13:21 TNIV


MANUSCRIPT ERR

These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
John 1:28 AV 1873


All this happened in Bethany on the east side of the River Jordan, where John was baptizing.
John 1:28 Good News Translation


TITLE ERR

THE EPISTLE OF PAUL THE APOSTLE TO THE HEBREWS.
AV 1873

The Letter to the HEBREWS
NRSV

Do you also want:
SPELLING ERRs
GRAMMAR ERRs
VERSES ADDED TO THE SCRIPTURES
VERSES MISSING FROM THE SCRIPTURES

Rob

 

[Mexdeaf]

Whether or not there exists such a thing as a complete, preserved, infallible and 100% true Bible in any language is "a minor issue"?

We have several here at the forum who tell us that it is impossible to have an infallible translation and that only the originals were inspired, but of course we no longer have the originals. Thus, "no inerrant and 100% true Bible".

Some prefer the ever changing Critical texts and still have no inerrant Bible. Other like the TR but still have no inerrant Bible. Some commit intellectual suicide and tell us that 5 or 6 versions that differ from each other by thousands of words, names, numbers, and meanings are "all inspired and inerrant". And meanwhile the recent polls show that the majority of Christians do not believe in the inerrancy of Scripture; more than half do not believe either Satan or the Holy Spirit are persons, but are mere influences, and a good percentage of Christians believe Christ sinned while on earth.

"A minor issue"?

We are living in the times of the falling away from the faith; not a great revival.

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matthew 11:15

Will K

It IS a minor issue. Whether you like it or not. You can spout all of your supposed knowledge as to the supposed superiority of the KJV over all other translations, but in the light of eternity it is but a will-o-the-wisp in the flame of God's wrath upon sin.

Millions of Bible believers exist who have never heard of you, Ruckman, or even the KJV. They are Bible believers who know that what they have and hold IS the Word of God even if you would deny it. Many of them don't even have a complete copy of God's Word in their own language, but they cherish and believe what they do have.

Your teaching does not build faith in the Word of God, rather it destroys it. Your teaching is nothing more than a pharisaical tradition that makes two-fold children of hell who espouse KJVO doctrine and deny salvation and grace to those who don't "toe the line" instead of delivering people out of hell.

Don't bother responding. I probably will be banned for calling you out. It will be a blessing not to have to read your pitiful cries of "Do you have a complete and 100% true Bible?"

I do, thanks- and goodbye.

 

[DHK]

It IS a minor issue. Whether you like it or not. You can spout all of your supposed knowledge as to the supposed superiority of the KJV over all other translations, but in the light of eternity it is but a will-o-the-wisp in the flame of God's wrath upon sin.

Millions of Bible believers exist who have never heard of you, Ruckman, or even the KJV. They are Bible believers who know that what they have and hold IS the Word of God even if you would deny it. Many of them don't even have a complete copy of God's Word in their own language, but they cherish and believe what they do have.

Your teaching does not build faith in the Word of God, rather it destroys it. Your teaching is nothing more than a pharisaical tradition that makes two-fold children of hell who espouse KJVO doctrine and deny salvation and grace to those who don't "toe the line" instead of delivering people out of hell.

Don't bother responding. I probably will be banned for calling you out. It will be a blessing not to have to read your pitiful cries of "Do you have a complete and 100% true Bible?"

I do, thanks- and goodbye.

No Mexdeaf, you will not be banned.
Thank you for such a well-worded and clear-cut response.

 

[Samuel Owen]

Yet they had a file for the mattocks, and for the coulters, and for the forks, and for the axes, and to sharpen the goads.
1 Samuel 13:21 AV 1873.
This one is correct.

The price was two-thirds of a shekel for sharpening plowpoints and mattocks, and a third of a shekel for sharpening forks and axes and for repointing goads.
1 Samuel 13:21 TNIV.
This one is incorrect, based on some hokey archeological evidence from a coin. :laugh:

These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
John 1:28 AV 1873.
This is the correct Old World name.

Anything else ??.