Scrivener and the TR

[Precepts]

Can you show me where and why he was wrong?

Uh, Prove it!

 

[HankD]

Wrong about what?

HankD

 

[Precepts]

I hadn't believed he was wrong, Hank, but with all these Greek scholars floasting around in this place I thought at least one of'em could find where he made a mistake somewhars

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
I hadn't believed he was wrong, Hank, but with all these Greek scholars floasting around in this place I thought at least one of'em could find where he made a mistake somewhars

In what area, exactly?

 

[ScottEmerson]

Here's one mistake that I found. The Scrivener text of 1881 differs from the KJV text in several places, such as Acts 19:20.

http://www.bible-researcher.com/kutilek1.html

 

[Precepts]

From what I've read by Kutilek, I have found him not very credible, so unless you have some proof of your own, you haven't any

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[ February 12, 2004, 11:58 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]

 

[ScottEmerson]

F. H. A. Scrivener, The New Testament in Greek (Cambridge: University Press, 1949), pp. vii-viii; 648-656.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Doug (Kutliek) is a friend of mine and a soldier in the front line to discredit the devisive teaching of the "only" sect. He is considered a godly scholar to many of us.

But somehow I knew he would not be highly regarded by some on the BB!

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
Doug (Kutliek) is a friend of mine and a soldier in the front line to discredit the devisive teaching of the "only" sect. He is considered a godly scholar to many of us.

But somehow I knew he would not be highly regarded by some on the BB!

I appreciate Douglas Kutilek's extensive footnotes. All one has to do is look up what he is citing to see that he speaks Truth. Much of what he uses are the primary sources so those who care can check for themselves, and I've never seen any citation he has used that has been taken out of context, misused, or misrepresented, ala Riplinger.

 

[Precepts]

So? Jesus Christ is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother and He and I are busy telling people how to be saved instead of wasting our time denigrating people's ministries simply because they stand for the KJB.

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
So? Jesus Christ is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother and He and I are busy telling people how to be saved instead of wasting our time denigrating people's ministries simply because they stand for the KJB.

986 posts in just over two months? From what we've seen on this board alone, you're busy doing other things than telling people how to be saved. It seems that there has been plenty of denigration going of people here by your hand, or do we need to print out your quotations again.

Back to the topic, of course, all one has to do is read Scrivener's version of Acts 19:20:

"19:20 ουτως κατα κρατος ο λογος του κυριου ηυξανεν και ισχυεν"

Scrivener's uses the word κυριου, which is translated as Lord, not God, as the KJV translators used. The KJV translators used the text: ουτως κατα κρατος ο λογος του θεος ηυξανεν και ισχυεν

There it is, in black and white. A mistake by Scrivener.

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
Doug (Kutliek) is a friend of mine and a soldier in the front line to discredit the devisive teaching of the "only" sect. He is considered a godly scholar to many of us.

But somehow I knew he would not be highly regarded by some on the BB!

Then this ought to upset you pretty good, since kutilek was entered into the discussion and no real info has been brought forth, just comraderies:

http://www.angelfire.com/nt/baptist/HerbEvans/HE_WhatKutilekMissed.htm

 

[ScottEmerson]

And if you want to see the evidence of Scrivener's, here is a website with his text: http://bibledbdata.org/onlinebibles/greek_1894_utf8/44_019.htm

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
Then this ought to upset you pretty good, since kutilek was entered into the discussion and no real info has been brought forth, just comraderies:

http://www.angelfire.com/nt/baptist/HerbEvans/HE_WhatKutilekMissed.htm [/QB]

So, in your own words, what is wrong with his scholarship?

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by ScottEmerson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
So? Jesus Christ is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother and He and I are busy telling people how to be saved instead of wasting our time denigrating people's ministries simply because they stand for the KJB.

986 posts in just over two months? From what we've seen on this board alone, you're busy doing other things than telling people how to be saved. It seems that there has been plenty of denigration going of people here by your hand, or do we need to print out your quotations again.

Back to the topic, of course, all one has to do is read Scrivener's version of Acts 19:20:

"19:20 ουτως κατα κρατος ο λογος του κυριου ηυξανεν και ισχυεν"

Scrivener's uses the word κυριου, which is translated as Lord, not God, as the KJV translators used. The KJV translators used the text: ουτως κατα κρατος ο λογος του θεος ηυξανεν και ισχυεν

There it is, in black and white. A mistake by Scrivener. </font>[/QUOTE]Yep, by your reasoning I can see how you would separate Lord from God.

My time is tithed, yours?

I've passed out about 1,000 tracts in the past two months, you? I've preached four times in the past two months in two different rescue missions you?

Since when do I answer to you anyway? Never.

BTW, yall love to use that derigatory label and call people like me as promoting a false doctirne and then go around and dig up bones all the time, but i'm glad i bother you so much personally that you have to cast your dirt around to try and discredit your brother in Christ, that is so much more like Jesus I think I'll just start worshipping you instead. Not!

Just to stay on topic, do you have anymore BIG ol'OUTlandish "mistakes" Scrivener made or is that all you can "dig' up?

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by ScottEmerson:
And if you want to see the evidence of Scrivener's, here is a website with his text: http://bibledbdata.org/onlinebibles/greek_1894_utf8/44_019.htm

So? You gave me his text, where's the BIG discrepency?

 

[Precepts]

Here's Scrivener's whole new testament in greek, what's the BIG discrepency? You're not making sense as usual.

http://www.theonlinebible.com/bibles/greek-nt-scrivener-1894-utf8/index.html

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by ScottEmerson:
Here's one mistake that I found. The Scrivener text of 1881 differs from the KJV text in several places, such as Acts 19:20.

http://www.bible-researcher.com/kutilek1.html

I just got thru comparing Scrivener's Interlinear Greek New Testament with the KJB and they agree with the word for Lord: kurios

KJB Greek textutwV kata kratoV o logoV tou kuriou huxanen kai iscuen

Scrivener's Greek textutwv kata kratov o logov tou kuriou huxanen kai iscuen


Are you just a'joshin' me?

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
[qb] So? Jesus Christ is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother and He and I are busy telling people how to be saved instead of wasting our time denigrating people's ministries simply because they stand for the KJB.

And then...

BTW, yall love to use that derigatory label and call people like me as promoting a false doctirne and then go around and dig up bones all the time, but i'm glad i bother you so much personally that you have to cast your dirt around to try and discredit your brother in Christ, that is so much more like Jesus I think I'll just start worshipping you instead. Not!

Can you not see the contradiction here? You bash Kutilek, trying to discredit him, then complain about someone doing the same to you?

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
I just got thru comparing Scrivener's Interlinear Greek New Testament with the KJB and they agree with the word for Lord: kurios

KJB Greek textutwV kata kratoV o logoV tou kuriou huxanen kai iscuen

Scrivener's Greek textutwv kata kratov o logov tou kuriou huxanen kai iscuen


Are you just a'joshin' me? [/QB]

The KJV text, again, says: ουτως κατα κρατος ο λογος του θεος ηυξανεν και ισχυεν.

We know this because the text is translated by the KJV translators as "So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed" and not "So mightily grew the word of the Lord and prevailed." Kurios is translated as Lord 725 times and isn't translated as God.