So what's the difference between Beth Moore and Joyce Meyer?

[Revmitchell]

Oh....okay.

I'm wondering what info. you have that shows Beth Moore supports contemplative prayer (which is something debatable and defined differently among different people anyways). Was it in an article? One of her books/studies? Something else?

I guess if you "gray it up" then it can be justified.

http://lighthousetrailsresearch.com/bestilldvd.htm

 

[annsni]

The Bible says some people are gifted to preach the gospel and others are gifted for discipleship. I agree the Gospel of Jesus Christ is about Him suffering and dying on the cross. But the rest of the Gospel is that He Rose Again (you left that part off). There is a better day! It didn't end in the tomb!

After receiving the Gospel (the Good News), comes discipleship, a relationship, a walk. That means, yes, I may suffer and need to take up my cross to follow Him, but I also have a new relationship to God, I am an heir and a joint-heir with Jesus Christ. I am adopted by God. I am blessed by God. I am walking with God, talking with God, through Jesus Christ, my best friend. My Heavenly Father WANTS to bless me because I am His child, not because I deserve it, but because of my relationship with Him through His Son, Jesus Christ. He has given me His WORD, a Book loaded with promises!! Both for now and for the future! Prosperity and Blessings are a part of it! Prosperity and blessings are Biblical doctrine - all through the OT and NT. It is just as wrong to accept the Death and Burial of Jesus Christ and leave off the Resurrection and New Life and Blessings as it is to preach ONLY the Blessings and not the Relationship and how we receive that new relationship.

Joyce Meyer does not preach JUST about Prosperity and those of you who say she does have never seriously listened to her teachings and studied the Word with her, you are just going by what her critics have said because she doesn't claim to be Baptist and is not Lifeway's flavor of the month, IMO. Anybody can prooftext the Bible or someone's teachings, BTW.

I know this is a ways back but I'm on and off the computer today.

Can you show me where in the New Testament ONE of God's people prospered? I seem to remember persecution, suffering, imprisonment and brutal deaths.

 

[dan e.]

I guess if you "gray it up" then it can be justified.

http://lighthousetrailsresearch.com/bestilldvd.htm

Oh my heavens...I've got to say, Rev. This is pretty weak, even for you. Can't you muster up more evidence than this????

I mean, come on. You say this ...

I do know she teaches and endorses the heretical contemplative prayer founded in eastern mysticism and filtered by the catholic church.

...from that article?

 

[LadyEagle]

I know this is a ways back but I'm on and off the computer today.

Can you show me where in the New Testament ONE of God's people prospered? I seem to remember persecution, suffering, imprisonment and brutal deaths.

Lydia, a dealer of purple cloth, comes to mind.

From the Internet:
Purple cloth was expensive and valuable as a sign of nobility or royalty so she was probably a wealthy businesswoman.

From the City of Thyatira. This small city was known for its commerce in Asia Minor. It was in an area noted for its abundant crops and the manufacture of purple dye.

 

[donnA]

I guess all those who were persecuted , who suffered, who were imprisioned, and murdered weren't blessed by God to have happy lives. If God intended for His people's focus to be happiness, what happened with all these(the persecuted and imprisoned)? Maybe they made soemthing else their priority in life over their personal happiness.

 

[Revmitchell]

Oh my heavens...I've got to say, Rev. This is pretty weak, even for you. Can't you muster up more evidence than this????

I mean, come on. You say this ...



...from that article?

On second thought have a nice day.

 

[donnA]

The last time contemplative prayer came up here I tried to do some reading about it. But no one(on the various web sites I read) could agree on the defination of what it is. First we must know exactly what it is before we can decided who does it or promotes it.

 

[LadyEagle]

If God intended for His people's focus to be happiness

No one is saying our focus is to be happiness. Not even Joyce Meyer. Our focus is to be on God. The greatest commandment is to love God and to love our neighbor. We are to focus on how we may be used by Him in our daily walk to love others. When God blesses us, He does so that we can bless others.

 

[dan e.]

The last time contemplative prayer came up here I tried to do some reading about it. But no one(on the various web sites I read) could agree on the defination of what it is. First we must know exactly what it is before we can decided who does it or promotes it.

Usually, instead of figuring out what it is, and figuring out what it isn't, here is the type of response you get from alarmers:

II do know she teaches and endorses the heretical contemplative prayer founded in eastern mysticism and filtered by the catholic church.

Revmitchell, no need to be offended. I made that remark because from talking with you a lot in various threads, I expected some direct evidence from Beth Moore's mouth, not an incredibly biased site that misquotes, and misrepresents these people.

 

[donnA]

No one is saying our focus is to be happiness. Not even Joyce Meyer. Our focus is to be on God. The greatest commandment is to love God and to love our neighbor. We are to focus on how we may be used by Him in our daily walk to love others. When God blesses us, He does so that we can bless others.

I based my statement on superwoman's posts about happiness, it seems at any cost.

 

[Beth]

Not a fan

I personally would not endorse either woman...I did try one of Beth's studies a couple of years ago....I didn't believe it held up well to Scripture. I lost interest especially when I wrote to her ministry asking about Beth's understanding of the Catholic church....the answer from her ministry led me to realize she just doesn't recognize that the Catholic church has a different gospel.

 

[annsni]

Lydia, a dealer of purple cloth, comes to mind.

From the Internet:
Purple cloth was expensive and valuable as a sign of nobility or royalty so she was probably a wealthy businesswoman.

From the City of Thyatira. This small city was known for its commerce in Asia Minor. It was in an area noted for its abundant crops and the manufacture of purple dye.

So Lydia was the only one who was blessed by God? She was the only one in God's will? She was the only one who followed God and therefore was prosperous?

I would think if anyone would be in God's will and prosper, since God wants us all to prosper and be rich would be Paul. Remember that he was probably well off before he came to Christ but was quite poor as he worked for the spreading of the Gospel.

 

[LadyEagle]

I personally would not endorse either woman...I did try one of Beth's studies a couple of years ago....I didn't believe it held up well to Scripture. I lost interest especially when I wrote to her ministry asking about Beth's understanding of the Catholic church....the answer from her ministry led me to realize she just doesn't recognize that the Catholic church has a different gospel.

Not a Beth Moore fan, either. I think someone on this thread summed it up pretty well when it was suggested that no matter who it is, we need to study the Scriptures for ourselves and see if what we are hearing is truth according to God's Word, or fables. But not everyone is always going to agree on everything. What might be a fable/itcing ears to me, may not be a fable/itching years to you and vice versa. Too many blanket judgments are made both pro and con by denominational boundaries, IMO. That was the point I was hoping to make by starting this thread.:flower:

 

[donnA]

It doesn't matter if anyone agrees with anyone else, what matter is if it agrees with the word of God. Jesus did not pay for our sins in hell, and we are not little gods, nothing in scripture even remotely leads one to this. This is false teaching.

 

[LadyEagle]

So Lydia was the only one who was blessed by God? She was the only one in God's will? She was the only one who followed God and therefore was prosperous?

I would think if anyone would be in God's will and prosper, since God wants us all to prosper and be rich would be Paul. Remember that he was probably well off before he came to Christ but was quite poor as he worked for the spreading of the Gospel.

You said, and I quote, name "ONE". I did.

 

[annsni]

You said, and I quote, name "ONE". I did.

LOL - OK - Can you name any others? Of course I'm thinking of the main characters of the Bible.

Lydia worked. She worked hard for her money. She earned what she worked for. She may have been wealthy but was it from her ministry? Did she make money off of the church? Did any person in the Bible make money off the church?

My husband did well for himself many years ago. It was in the audio industry and he made enough to buy us a nice house (well, in a nice neighborhood - the house needed work - he didn't do THAT well - LOL) and a boat. We have since upgraded the boat and before he went into ministry, we took some money that we had and his parents helped the rest of the way to pay off both the house and boat. We kind of look at our boat as our "vacation house/fund" because that's all our vacations. Our house is worth just under a million dollars (we paid 1/3 of that amount) and honestly, we're totally house poor. We have an almost million dollar house with icky carpeting we can't replace, couches that are falling apart, a driveway that's being broken up by trees and garage doors that are about to rot out. But we own it free and clear and we're blessed in what we have. My husband is in the ministry now and we are by no means swimming in dough. We're making ends meet right now and that might not be happening in the next year as my oldest goes to college and we need to come up with a lot of money. We may end up selling the boat to pay for it. SIGH

God has so intensily blessed us. We have a wonderful marriage, 4 gorgeous children who have each given their hearts to the Lord plus two more who are at the feet of their heavenly Father, a roof over our heads that we can sell and get a smaller roof if we need to (would make it tight but a roof is a roof), I have a husband who survived a fall from the roof with only a disabled foot and we are all relatively healthy.

It's not the material things that show that we are blessed but our relationship with the Lord. My husband did not go into the ministry to make money - trust me. LOL And if he made more money than the average person in our church, then I think we'd be misusing the funds that belong to the Lord and not to us. If the average person who supports Joyce's ministry has a 10,000 square foot home as their main home plus other homes - all paid for by the ministry, then Joyce is not making too much money. However, if the average person who supports Joyce's ministry is struggling to get by, then she's totally misusing funds, IMO.

 

[Rippon]

What do you women ( and men ) think of Kay Arthur?

 

[donnA]

I don't know enough about her.

 

[Revmitchell]

What do you women ( and men ) think of Kay Arthur?

To the best of my knowledge she is solid biblically.

 

[LadyEagle]

What do you women ( and men ) think of Kay Arthur?

Never heard of her. Sorry.