standingfirminChrist said:
'her seed' refers to Christ, not a woman's egg. By Mary allowing herself to be the vessel to carry our Lord and Savior, He was the seed Genesis speaks of.
zera means offspring.
egg, ovum, are not described as definitions of seed in Genesis 3:15. We cannot make it egg or ovum.
MY, How quickly this thread took off after the other was closed.
"Seed refers to 'Christ' not a woman's egg"
Funny, The Bible never speaks of "Christ, the Seed" does it?
The word "seed" is used 255 times in the Bible, but only 52 of those usages are in the NT which SFIC seems to ignore. Of course the great number of times that it is used in the OT testament refers to planting seed.
SFIC, you ignore the totality of Scripture, and posit one Scripture against another making the Bible contradict itself. The Bible doesn't contradict itself. Your interpretation of Genesis 3:15 is untenable.
Seed could refer to offspring as you say. But the offspring always comes through the seed of a man. That is why the prophecy is so unusual. It mentions the "seed" of a woman. The seed refers, in opposition to that which a man carries that passes the sin nature from generation to generation. It refers to something that happens at conception. It obviously must refer to the ovum, where Christ would come from--the seed of the woman. In context it can't refer to anything else. Only Christ would come from "this seed" and no other.
Many would come from the seed of David, but only one would inherit his throne. David would have many children, and likewise the children would have children, but only one would inherit the throne. But why stick to the Old Testament usage which is far more vague than the NT. Are you afraid to make a case with the NT, which gives a more definitive case for the word?
But first look at Isaiah 7:14
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold,
a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Uh oh, there's that nasty word "conceive" that we don't like to talk about, right? In one post you defined it as begat or born. In other words Christ was born and then nine months later born again. Now that's a trick!
"conceive"
hariy (Hosea 14:1) {haw-ree'}; from 2029; pregnant:--(be, woman) with child, conceive, X great.
The word means "become pregnant," which is impossible without an ovum. It has its traditional meaning of "conceive," and no other.
The prophecy is that a virgin will conceive. Her ovum will become fertilized and a child will be born and his name will be called Immanuel. What a great verse, and a great teaching. Amen! The NT tells us that it can't be done without the Holy Spirit. It is a miracle of God. It is the miracle of the Virgin Birth. And it is clearly spelled out right here in the OT.
In a post in the other thread I detailed the biology of how a child is born. Let me repeat it for the sake of this thread:
"Now, as delically and tactfully as we can let's insert some biology here. What happens when a child is born?
The ovum of the mother is fertilized by the sperm.
Shortly after mitosis occurs, giving rise to two cells, which in turn give rise to four cells and continue to duplicate.
After about 3 days the embyo has become a mass of about 16 cells and makes its way to the uterus. There cell division continues.
What is important to note is that as the embryo grows it takes no blood from the mother. It produces its own blood, its own circulatory system, as it does all of its own organs.
None of the mother's blood enters into the child."
How was Jesus born? He was conceived by the Holy Spirit. The Scripture emphasizes this point over and over again--a fact which you refuse to accept. How is the word seed used? It is used in the sense of "sperm" again a fact that you refuse to believe. Let's consider the evidence.
John 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of
the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
--The Pharisees were speaking of the physical family of Christ. Where did Christ come from? What does this word "seed" mean?
sperma sperma sper'-mah
from 4687; something sown, i.e. seed (including the male "sperm"); by implication, offspring; specially, a remnant (figuratively, as if kept over for planting):--issue, seed.
The primary meaning, as even the Greek word indicates, is the male sperm. It is quite obvious. When the primary meaning fits the context one doesn't go and take secondary and other meanings. That is characteristic of cults.
How was Christ born?
Luke 1:34-35 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her,
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for
that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
The question which you have never been able to answer is: what is conception when it comes to the virgin birth? What was conceived? What does conceive mean in this case?
What happened nine months before Christ was born?
The Bible is clear on this; but you are not.
The answer is given in Luke 1:35
The power of the Highest overshadowed her.
That "holy thing" which SHALL be born in thee shall be called the Son of God.
No self respecting angel would call the Son of God a "thing." He was referred to as a thing, for he was at that time simply an ovum, or perhaps a fertilized egg, or along that stage. It was nine months before the Son of God would be born. Mary didn't even know that she was pregnant, as is evidenced from verse 34.
The very fact that the word "conceive" is used so many times throughout the various accounts is fairly good evidence that an ovum was fertilized in a miraculous way by the Holy Spirit. He escaped a sin nature, because the sperm of a man was not used. The sin nature is passed through the "seed of a man". The term "seed of a woman" is unusual and indicates a miraculous and unique birth, a birth out of the ordinary, a virgin birth.
