The Necessity of Special Creation

[standingfirminChrist]

I did answer the question. You just don't like the answer.

I already said in an earlier post I do not believe Mary carried the child a full 9 months. I believe a flesh body was placed in her womb. The body God had prepared for His Son... just as Scripture declares.

 

[DHK]

Scripture says 'a body Thou has prepared me,' not 'an ovum Thou hast prepared me.

You are not answering my question SFIC. Answer my question.
Yes, He prepared a body using an ovum. Now go back and answer my question.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Where does Scripture say He used an ovum? I have yet to see that.

 

[DHK]

I did answer the question. You just don't like the answer.

I already said in an earlier post I do not believe Mary carried the child a full 9 months. I believe a flesh body was placed in her womb. The body God had prepared for His Son... just as Scripture declares.

If it was the full nine months it started with an ovum.
If it started with a fetus it was only seven months.
Which is it.
It takes 8 weeks before all the major internal organs are formed and present. Is that the body you are speaking of?
Then the body was only in the womb for 7 months. You can't have it both ways.

 

[DHK]

Where does Scripture say He used an ovum? I have yet to see that.

Your being silly, ridiculous and a whole lot of other things.
Where does the Bible mention meiosis, mitosis, uterus, zygote, embryo, fetus, and many other such terms. The Bible is not a book of biology as you want it to be.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I believe it to be no more than 7 months if we are to believe Scripture that says 'a body Thou hast prepared me.' Possibly less. Scripture does not give an indication of how long it was between the period after her returning from Elisabeth's house to the time of Mary's delivery.

At least I have not found it.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Your being silly, ridiculous and a whole lot of other things.
Where does the Bible mention meiosis, mitosis, uterus, zygote, embryo, fetus, and many other such terms. The Bible is not a book of biology as you want it to be.

Then why are you insisting on bringing biology into the equation? It is you who is saying Mary's ovum was used and that biology shows the reproduction process, not me.

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[annsni]

I understand SFIC. God is incapable of producing a body from an egg so He had to go ahead and make a whole new one. Have you read Psalm 139?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I understand SFIC. God is incapable of producing a body from an egg so He had to go ahead and make a whole new one. Have you read Psalm 139?

God is capable of doing anything. God reproduced Himself in the flesh. Did He come from an ovum?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

To say God had to fertilize Mary's ovum in order for the Son to be born is limiting the power of God. He did not need the male's seed, nor the female's ovum to reproduce Himself in the flesh.

 

[DHK]

I believe it to be no more than 7 months if we are to believe Scripture that says 'a body Thou hast prepared me.' Possibly less. Scripture does not give an indication of how long it was between the period after her returning from Elisabeth's house to the time of Mary's delivery.

At least I have not found it.

Luke 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

There was a six month difference between Jesus and John.
When the angel appeared to Joseph, Joseph was already thinking of divorcing Mary because it was evident that she was pregnant. Women wore loose clothing in that day, and such proof would only become evident to Joseph after about three months. At any rate it is doubtful that Joseph could ascertain anything after one month of the angel's appearing to Joseph which would make seven months. It is more likely that the angel would have appeared to Joseph when Mary was two and half to three months. For after then she travelled up to Elizabeth's house and there remained for six months. From there they had to travel to Bethlehem where Christ was born. Some allowance can be made for travel. But it doesn't seem possible that Christ was in the womb for only seven months. No such theory has every been put forth. I think you are confused.

 

[DHK]

To say God had to fertilize Mary's ovum in order for the Son to be born is limiting the power of God. He did not need the male's seed, nor the female's ovum to reproduce Himself in the flesh.

Call the kettle black. Who is limiting the power of God??

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Luke 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

There was a six month difference between Jesus and John.
When the angel appeared to Joseph, Joseph was already thinking of divorcing Mary because it was evident that she was pregnant. Women wore loose clothing in that day, and such proof would only become evident to Joseph after about three months. At any rate it is doubtful that Joseph could ascertain anything after one month of the angel's appearing to Joseph which would make seven months. It is more likely that the angel would have appeared to Joseph when Mary was two and half to three months. For after then she travelled up to Elizabeth's house and there remained for six months. From there they had to travel to Bethlehem where Christ was born. Some allowance can be made for travel. But it doesn't seem possible that Christ was in the womb for only seven months. No such theory has every been put forth. I think you are confused.

I thinkit is you who is confused. Mary did not remain at Elisabeth's house for six months.

And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

You may want to re-read the account carefully and prayerfully and then come back with the facts.

 

[DHK]

I believe it to be no more than 7 months if we are to believe Scripture that says 'a body Thou hast prepared me.' Possibly less. Scripture does not give an indication of how long it was between the period after her returning from Elisabeth's house to the time of Mary's delivery.

At least I have not found it.

If Christ was in the womb for only 7 months then logically he wasn't fully man. He didn't endure as all men do, the entire process. He came into the world as "man." The inferemce is that he came just as any other person--a full nine months. He suffered in every way like man would suffer. "Man" means mankind. Let's not deny Heb. 4:15 and other like verses.
If you stand against abortion, when does life begin?

 

[DHK]

I thinkit is you who is confused. Mary did not remain at Elisabeth's house for six months.

And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

That is the Scripture I was looking for. The six plus the three make the nine. Thanks.

 

[DHK]

Luke 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Luke 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Luke 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

If Christ was in the womb for only 7 months then logically he wasn't fully man. He didn't endure as all men do, the entire process. He came into the world as "man." The inferemce is that he came just as any other person--a full nine months. He suffered in every way like man would suffer. "Man" means mankind. Let's not deny Heb. 4:15 and other like verses.
If you stand against abortion, when does life begin?

There are those who have been born premature in the natural who have survived after only 6 and a half months in the womb.

But we must remember, Christ was placed in the womb supernaturallly... without man's intervention.

God prepared Him a body, not an ovum. God sent His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, not as an embryo.

How did He do this? By divine and supernatural intervention and not of man.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Luke 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Luke 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Luke 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

Mary was not six months pregnant when she visited Elisabeth, else Elisabeth carried John the Baptist in her womb well past the natural time.

In the sixth month refers to Elisabeth's sixth month, not Mary's. And the angel even reveals to Mary that same thing.

Luke 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

At the time Mary was overshadowed by the Spirit, Elisabeth was already 6 months carrying John.

As I said, read the account again.

 

[DHK]

There are those who have been born premature in the natural who have survived after only 6 and a half months in the womb.

You have just helped me with a timeline establishing that Mary was a full nine months (possibly a bit more) when Christ was born. In fact the expression used is "great with child."

But we must remember, Christ was placed in the womb supernaturallly... without man's intervention.

"placed in the womb" is your unscriptural expression.
That is was supernatural no one argues.
That it was without man's intervention, no one argues.

God prepared Him a body, not an ovum. God sent His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, not as an embryo.

Scripture and verse please. The Bible does not quote to us modern biological terms, so you are speaking outside of your realm. We have far more evidence that he did use an ovum than you do that he didn't. You are giving the same lame argument that the J.W.s use against the trinity. The word "trinity" isn't in the Bible therefore the trinity isn't taught. That is the same argument you use.

How did He do this? By divine and supernatural intervention and not of man.

We have no argument there. Man did not intervene. What makes you suggest that he did, or that we believe that he did?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

That does not establish that she carried the child 9 months at all.

Not in the least. If God prepared a body, even if she was only to carry it for 7 months, He could have caused her to be 'great with child.'