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The True Gospel Preacher
- Thread starter KenH
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How will God justify Himself by choosing to send billions to Hell?
Let me guess, He's God and can do whatever He wants!
That's what we call character assassination of God!
Calvinists remind me of their Calvinist God.
Ship 'em off to Hell, we don't care, they were chosen for Hell from the beginning.
But me, I'm special, God chose me.
atpollard
Well-Known Member
How will “god” justify himself for sending billions to Hell because they made one wrong choice about believing a story that happened 2000 years ago compared to all the evil that “god” permits every day around them?
[I used “god” instead of “God” because FREE WILL means that “god” has no more power over their fate than “Zeus”.]
The people cry: "The way of the Lord is not fair.” - Ezekiel 18 & 33
God proclaims: “I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” - Exodus 33:19 & Romans 9:15
It's amazing to me that the Scripture plainly says that it's not God will that any should perish, but yet the Calvinist holds on to his ridiculous theories of the 5 points.
The Scripture plainly says in numerous places, "whosoever will" but they find a way around that also.
God is justified by His own Law when man freely chooses to reject His Son.
But that's not what we're talking about in Calvinism.
atpollard
Well-Known Member
Which of the 5 points says that it is the will of God that people perish?
KJB1611reader
Active Member
To be saved is to trust solely on the blood stained gospel. No fruits or changed life will affect eternal salvation.
Calvinism is a theory and theorizes that if God chose some to be saved, then the rest are chosen to perish.
Wouldn't you agree it's ridiculous given the many Scriptures that speak otherwise?
KJB1611reader
Active Member
God predestinated those to be saved from foreknowledge.
Though it is the will (desire) of God none shall perish.... who wants all man to be saved. (paraphrase.)
Shawn, anti-calvinist.
I’m glad I don’t expect you or Calvin to say well done. I’m glad the job of judge in heaven is not passed on to people who decide, against the advice of Scripture, to judge the quality of another’s servant.
Your god is unable to give a free will choice, and still be sovereign?
Please show me Scripture that says God cannot give free choice and still be sovereign.
God wants all men everywhere to repent and be saved. He predestined a specific plan for man in order for that to take place.
But we know all men will not be saved, and this is where God's Law takes over.
KenH
Well-Known Member
Spot on. The "god" of the free-willers and the deniers of the absolute, total sovereignty of God is no more powerful than the "gods" of Greek mythology or the "superheroes" of modern day Marvel movies. According to the free-willers, their idea of a "god" sometimes gets what he desires and sometimes doesn't get what he desires. Therefore, I see no difference between their idea of a "god" and the "gods" of Greek mythology or the "superheroes" of modern day Marvel movies.
@Charlie24:
"How will God justify Himself by choosing to send billions to Hell?" = "Why doth He still find fault? For who resisteth His will?"
"Let me guess, He's God and can do whatever He wants!" = "So then He hath mercy on whom He will, and whom He will He hardeneth" (good guess, Charlie)
"That's what we call character assassination of God!" = "God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar"
"How will God justify Himself by choosing to send billions to Hell?" = "Why doth He still find fault? For who resisteth His will?"
"Let me guess, He's God and can do whatever He wants!" = "So then He hath mercy on whom He will, and whom He will He hardeneth" (good guess, Charlie)
"That's what we call character assassination of God!" = "God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar"
This is so clear, Surely everyone will agree to this!
He did not predestinate a plan, but the people were foreknown to be predestined to the Image of the Son!
Typical 5 pointer response. the fact remains that your theory places God as the one who chooses to send the majority to Hell without any chance at all to be saved.
You keep believing that Z. Your accusations against God will be dealt with!
KenH
Well-Known Member
Psalm 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight:
That thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,
That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings,
And mightest overcome when thou art judged.
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written,
There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth,
There is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable;
There is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre;
With their tongues they have used deceit;
The poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11 so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.